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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 09:35 PM
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Just heard word on this today. Those of us who enjoy going to the dunes or going to the deserts of California are in for a surprise

New Law

According to this law, pretty much anything you drive, occupants will be required to have full harnesses and helmets. Also states that occupants must be able to reach the floor with their feet, as well as be able to reach a grab handle while fully restrained. Also states that seat configurations that are not as presented from the factory are also in violation (i.e. UTVs with bench seats added to the rear bed)

Granted the way it's written is a little vague, it covers sand rails, buggies, jeeps, etc, but it focuses more on vehicles "primarily designed for off-highway use"-->so does my street legal baja not fall under this law???

Will be interesting to see how things play out.


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Doesn't California have a budget problem to worry about before it goes bankrupt?


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Post Post subject: New laws passed in the state of California...
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It is already bankrupt this is probably just another way they are trying to make money

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Post Post subject: New laws passed in the state of California...
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You got it PaDan!

All of us used to believe all the propaganda they taught us in school and virtually everywhere else about America being "The Home of the Free and the Land of the Brave".

It's now "The Home of the Fee and the land of the Gay" ...

This article linked does not define violations as an infraction, but as a "Crime". The piece does not define what penalties may be applied for violation of this "crime" nor whether they are misdemeanors or felonies. Funny how the "liberals" in power are working so hard to ensure our "freedoms" are taken away, isn't it?

PS: I'm not a registered Republican


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Post Post subject: Re: New laws passed in the state of California...
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SECTION 1. Section 500 is added to the Vehicle Code, to read:
500. “Recreational off-highway vehicle” means a motor vehicle meeting all of the following criteria:
(a) Designed by the manufacturer for operation primarily off of the highway.
(b) Has a steering wheel for steering control.
(c) Hasnonstraddleseatingprovidedbythemanufacturerfortheoperator and all passengers.
(d) (1) Has a maximum speed capability of greater than 30 miles per hour.
(2) A vehicle designed by the manufacturer with a maximum speed capability of 30 miles per hour or less but is modified so that it has a maximum speed capability of greater than 30 miles per hour satisfies the criteria set forth in this subdivision.
(e) Has an engine displacement equal to or less than 1,000cc (61 ci).
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Ch. 165 — 2 —
SEC. 2. Section 38012 of the Vehicle Code is amended to read:
38012. (a) As used in this division, “off-highway motor vehicle subject to identification” means a motor vehicle subject to subdivision (a) of Section 38010.
(b) As used in this division, “off-highway motor vehicle” includes, but is not limited to, the following:
(1) A motorcycle or motor-driven cycle, except for any motorcycle that is eligible for a special transportation identification device issued pursuant to Section 38088.
(2) A snowmobile or other vehicle designed to travel over snow or ice, as defined in Section 557.
(3) A motor vehicle commonly referred to as a sand buggy, dune buggy, or all-terrain vehicle.
(4) A motor vehicle commonly referred to as a jeep.
(5) A recreational off-highway vehicle as defined in Section 500.

Looks like they're cracking down on anything that goes into the sand. It is a bit vague, but more than likely to include everything & anything so they can write you a ticket if they feel like it.

I've taken my Super Duty into the dunes a few times (not just in camp, but actually into the dunes) so I'm wondering if this helmet law would apply to that too. I'd be willing to bet, they'll have signs out at the major camp sites and asking a ranger would probably provide some more insight.

The way I read it (and I'm no lawyer) it looks that they amended the law, which only included 1000cc vehicles & below. Stupid legislators & their legal confusion jargon.

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Post Post subject: Re: New laws passed in the state of California...
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Nevada's new OHV law just went into efect on July 1 sounds very similar to this it,s just the begining, everyone who enjoys the outdoors needs to research U.N. agenda 21 and the wildlands project it,s already under way.


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It adds side x sides (Rhinos, Razors, etc.), the more advanced mini buggies and modified golf karts to the existing regulation.

I'm not entirely opposed to requiring helmets in such vehicles. The wording ASSumes "manufactured" vehicles. But terms like "dune buggy" can be very widely interpreted and vehicles fitting into this category are generally custom built rather than "manufactured". This shows they ASSume (again) that street registered vehicles other than "jeeps" will not be found substantially off the road. But with the wording the way it is, an ASSumer wearing a tin badge could stop citizens and write tickets for all occupants not wearing helmets intended for use on motorcycles while they are driving to camp in their motorhome with toybox on the trailer hitch. Afterall, aren't motorhomes expected to spend the bulk of their life parked off the highway? And how would my Dodge Durango fit in? Is it a "jeep"? I don't consider it one. This regulation does not define "jeep". And do they have legal permission to use that trade name "jeep", which is owned by Chrysler Corporation? If yes, how much of our taxes are they paying for that permission? And what part of the budget does that payment come out of? These Lawyers should be writing regulations as if they really ARE lawyers. I'm not a "lawyer", but I've written many contracts for public agencies running into hundreds of pages each. And no lawyer reviewing them has ever sent one back for editing. Even though they got paid a whole lot more to read them than I got paid to write them. A contract or a regulation or a law needs to adhere to standards of clarity and conciseness. Allowing for variables in interpretation is laying grounds for legal dispute.



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MojaveRacer208 wrote:
It adds side x sides (Rhinos, Razors, etc.), the more advanced mini buggies and modified golf karts to the existing regulation.

I'm not entirely opposed to requiring helmets in such vehicles. The wording ASSumes "manufactured" vehicles. But terms like "dune buggy" can be very widely interpreted and vehicles fitting into this category are generally custom built rather than "manufactured". This shows they ASSume (again) that street registered vehicles other than "jeeps" will not be found substantially off the road. But with the wording the way it is, an ASSumer wearing a tin badge could stop citizens and write tickets for all occupants not wearing helmets intended for use on motorcycles while they are driving to camp in their motorhome with toybox on the trailer hitch. Afterall, aren't motorhomes expected to spend the bulk of their life parked off the highway? And how would my Dodge Durango fit in? Is it a "jeep"? I don't consider it one. This regulation does not define "jeep". And do they have legal permission to use that trade name "jeep", which is owned by Chrysler Corporation? If yes, how much of our taxes are they paying for that permission? And what part of the budget does that payment come out of? These Lawyers should be writing regulations as if they really ARE lawyers. I'm not a "lawyer", but I've written many contracts for public agencies running into hundreds of pages each. And no lawyer reviewing them has ever sent one back for editing. Even though they got paid a whole lot more to read them than I got paid to write them. A contract or a regulation or a law needs to adhere to standards of clarity and conciseness. Allowing for variables in interpretation is laying grounds for legal dispute.



Tinman...I agree with your sig.

I pretty much agree with everything you said except the part about helmets. The way I see it is this: my head belongs to me, not the government, therefore I and I alone will decide if a helmet is put on it.

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