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Keep the pics coming. Lots of good things people can learn from this build.

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Agreed. I know I'll be referencing this thread.

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Thank guys and I hope so because I'm learning as I go. Those Germans had some creative ways of doing things. The PO didn't make things any easier either.

Well not a ton done. I spent most of the day yesterday driving out of town to pick up these bad boy 3 piece wheels for my c10, 12" out back and 10" wide for the front. Then went to a buddies house to "fix a few things". His upstairs bathroom had a major leak under the sink that he thought was coming from after showering Question So a $300 water bill later and what will turn out to be at least a couple grand or more in materials resulted from that bad problem solving. This is what happens when people know your in construction, damn now you guys know lol. Well we ripped out about 3 sheets worth of ceiling downstairs, the cabinets and tile up in the bathroom, set up a bunch of fans and I will be back in a week after things dry out.





Not my truck but what he had them on.

So finished up the drivers door, and now all the speakers are wired. I had to re do this door a few times for multiple things. Basically it was the first door I started on and most of my trial and error was done there. The last time I had to pull out the wing window because the knob for the lock fell off. Good thing the PO had a set of new ones. A couple of rivets and its perfect. For water barriers if I cant buy a reproduction set I use 10mil plastic and adhesive silicon, also a little duct tape to keep it secure while drying.







I started on the wiring under the column to get rid of the butt connectors and do things right with solder and heat shrink. I got a few wires in and found that some of them were different colored on either side of the butt connector and 3 random wires that aren't listed in any of my books or online pics I found of the schematics. They come from the column and I cant find the same color wires anywhere under the hood. Any ideas Question



So I got frustrated there and decided to remove the springplates (again) now that I have learned I can notch them safely to get a couple more inches to level out the bug. Its sagging a bit right now. This is a pain in the a$$ and hope this is the last time. I won't finish tonight because walking dead comes on at 6 and its about the only show I really sit down to watch.


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Okay so this notching the spring plate deal has me a tad worried, I am putting my son in this car and don't want to make it worse than it is.

I am doing more research before I pre load the bars more and notch the plate. From what I am reading doing this tends to make the car more like a grasshopper waiting to pounce. I need to do something though since the front is higher than the rear with the spring plates almost sitting on the stops. Would buying the spring plates guys use for lowering and swapping sides fix this issue? I am thinking this would be the same as a modified spindle right? My other issues are toe and camber. Evidently this causes some majors issues with both. I need about two inches of height in the rear to get it level, 3" would be great to get the rear a little higher but I still have some weight to add to the front, but at the same time the motor is still not in so that will lower it some more in the rear.

In this shot its 14" up front and 15 1/2'' in the rear at the pan. This would be ideal with all the final weight on the car. Is this doable?


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Posted: Tue Mar 17, 2015 12:03 PM
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I would be careful notching the spring plates.
I notched the plates on a sandrail about 1/4" and the axle pulled out of the CV joint and spun the splines off.
Ruined a trip to the dunes.
If you notch more than about 1/8" you may need longer axles.

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thedipstick wrote:
This is what happens when people know your in construction, damn now you guys know lol.
hahahaha^^^^ Laughing

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What size are the rear torsion bars. Stock? 26mm, 27mm thick?

the (grasshopper) is not an issue with IRS on the street it only comes into play off road.. Most people control the Grasshopper with strong shocks. .

Stock torsion bars are only good for the street. I run 26mm with a HP shocks on 3x3 arms, work awesome up to about 30MPH. if you don't have a cage don't put in over a 28mm torsion with 3x3arms. if you go off road and "beat " the care you will eather need to box your arms in or go with an aftermarket arm.


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I bought the adjustors for the spring plate.. work AWESOME..!!!




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I control the drop with a strap so I don't pull the CV apart or damage the spring plate perch.




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I would be careful notching the spring plates.
I notched the plates on a sandrail about 1/4" and the axle pulled out of the CV joint and spun the splines off.
Ruined a trip to the dunes.
If you notch more than about 1/8" you may need longer axles.

I have seen guys run a metal strap across the spring plates to avoid this issue.

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What size are the rear torsion bars. Stock? 26mm, 27mm thick?

the (grasshopper) is not an issue with IRS on the street it only comes into play off road.. Most people control the Grasshopper with strong shocks. .

Stock torsion bars are only good for the street. I run 26mm with a HP shocks on 3x3 arms, work awesome up to about 30MPH. if you don't have a cage don't put in over a 28mm torsion with 3x3arms. if you go off road and "beat " the care you will eather need to box your arms in or go with an aftermarket arm.

I am not sure on the size of the bars but from what I can tell in pictures they are stock. This will be a street Baja with some mild off road trail type use. Good idea with the strap.

I think I will start with a 1/4" notch and see what kind of height I can get from that, then also run a plate across the spring plates to keep them from backing out. What is a good shock to use that will bolt into the stock location? I am not sure what shocks the PO bought, they are new and he had them chromed but a stronger shock would be good anyway.

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Posted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 08:50 PM
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The straps across the spring plates is to keep the spring plates from jumping off the stops.

Shocks designed to fit on the stock mounts are very close to all the way out at stock full droop and very close to all the way compressed at full bump. Some guys drill holes for the bottom mounts higher in the trailing arm shock mounts. this allows more droop, but then the shock bottoms out before the rest of the suspension. Installing longer shocks does the same. It will bottom out too soon and your travel is still restricted. At least one of bottom and top mounts need to be changed to allow for more shock travel. There needs to be enough distance between mounts that the shock can use all of its travel. The general way is to mount longer shocks to the cage, but that's not an absolute. Some manage to get around that by creative thinking.

Dalton...What are your upper mounts connected to?


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my mount is home built... I have never seen it done before.. I am still working out a small problem with the upper mounts .. but I am not sure if it was luck or skill.. but it sure works well for what I built the car for.



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this setup is not for the beginner.... there is a lot of work that I did to make this work that someone may not see from just my photos..


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dave46 wrote:
I would be careful notching the spring plates.
I notched the plates on a sandrail about 1/4" and the axle pulled out of the CV joint and spun the splines off.
Ruined a trip to the dunes.
If you notch more than about 1/8" you may need longer axles.

I have seen guys run a metal strap across the spring plates to avoid this issue.

Dalton wrote:
What size are the rear torsion bars. Stock? 26mm, 27mm thick?

the (grasshopper) is not an issue with IRS on the street it only comes into play off road.. Most people control the Grasshopper with strong shocks. .

Stock torsion bars are only good for the street. I run 26mm with a HP shocks on 3x3 arms, work awesome up to about 30MPH. if you don't have a cage don't put in over a 28mm torsion with 3x3arms. if you go off road and "beat " the care you will eather need to box your arms in or go with an aftermarket arm.

I am not sure on the size of the bars but from what I can tell in pictures they are stock. This will be a street Baja with some mild off road trail type use. Good idea with the strap.

I think I will start with a 1/4" notch and see what kind of height I can get from that, then also run a plate across the spring plates to keep them from backing out. What is a good shock to use that will bolt into the stock location? I am not sure what shocks the PO bought, they are new and he had them chromed but a stronger shock would be good anyway.


if you are just going to run a stock arm... if you have the money (Bilsteens) if not KYB "White" will work.. Get the shock first and then noch the spring plate.


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