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Posted: Thu Apr 18, 2013 11:07 PM
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New to baja bugs and was curious what engine swaps people do I've seen them with large v8's in the rear how do they make them fit...

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Check my V6 build

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your link does not work.

Here's what I think I know.

It all depends on the transmission that you're running. The stronger the transmission the bigger the motor. The stronger the transmission the bigger the CV's need to be. The stronger the CVs the stronger the bearings in the trailing arms need to be.

The heavier the car, the bigger torsion bars you need to install.
And the get higher ride height the bigger the trailing arms you need to use.

All of it needs to work together otherwise you're going to find yourself on the side of the road/trail with a broken car repeatedly.

If you are new to the Volkswagen hobby I would recommend just going with the larger VW air cooled motor. It would be the simplest conversion and the least costly.

If you decide to go with the water pump or motor. Sit down and plan out the costs and let your budget dictate which direction you choose.

I can tell you that there comes a point that you will never get the money/time out of of the vehicle that you invest into it.

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Look under Baja forms then projects and builds then look for the one titled

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Your wallet is the only limit. Think about your style and place of driving. Then start with the tranny and work out from there in the plan.

v8? Mendeola 2d minimum. Heavy car like a Baja? Better plan on PBS. There goes 10k.

LS1 package? good torque, good power. 80#'s heavier than a Honda V6. Money no issue? Try a "high feature V6." Over 300 # tq, 350 hp with stock tune - just opened up. 8k.

My personal opinion is that a V8 is not proportional to a Baja. Course you could always get 300 hp out of a Turbo Subaru. Run a 2d with the milder Tq. curve. 8k again for a turn key Subaru.

I currently have a Honda 3.0 and will be putting in 3.5 over the summer. Good fit for Baja Bug IMHO and can be turn key for about 3.5k. Not enough? Turbo it for 2.5k.

Again, it all depends on your wallet.

Nothing is impossible, sometimes it just costs a bit more.

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I personally like the Ecotec swap. The easiest ones to adapt are from an 02-06 chevy cavalier or pontiac sunfire. They still have a cable throttle and are very easy to swap. Adapter plates run about $450. Stainless header with muffler and all the goodies about $250. enginewiring.com can reprogram the ECM and strip all of the excess wires from the harness for $450 and what you get back is a plug and play harness and ECM with only 3 wires to hook up. These motors make about 140hp to 160hp stock and will get killer gas mileage too. Only about 50 lbs heavier than the bug motor. You can use a type one trans if you watch how you drive it, but a 002 bus trans will hold up well.


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I personally like the Ecotec swap. The easiest ones to adapt are from an 02-06 chevy cavalier or pontiac sunfire. They still have a cable throttle and are very easy to swap. Adapter plates run about $450. Stainless header with muffler and all the goodies about $250. enginewiring.com can reprogram the ECM and strip all of the excess wires from the harness for $450 and what you get back is a plug and play harness and ECM with only 3 wires to hook up. These motors make about 140hp to 160hp stock and will get killer gas mileage too. Only about 50 lbs heavier than the bug motor. You can use a type one trans if you watch how you drive it, but a 002 bus trans will hold up well.

I agree with this as well. I have an Ecotech in my class 10 car with an 091 and Weddle gears. Very nice setup. Go with what is proven and invest the rest of your cash into quality shocks and suspension setup. No sense having V6 or V8 power and not be able to use it because you suspension is the weak link in your car. Unless you won the lottery. Then do whatever you want.

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I agree... The ecotec is a nice package and it looks very nice in the car the only issue that I had with the ecotec is that I would have to cut a hole in my firewall to make the thermostat fit. And some of the ecotec have a pump coming off the head on the same side. Replacement motors are still plentiful and a turnkey solution would be the best option for someone that is just getting into this hobby. The other option that I explored when I was considering ecotec motor was when I put my 3 x 3 trailing arms on I could move the transmission back 3 inches allowing enough room for the thermostat to clear my firewall.


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Post Post subject: Re: What engine?
Posted: Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:12 PM
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I've seen alot of different swaps but I still prefer the ole' VW engine for a buggy that is meant for long trail rides and rough country. It has to be one of the simplest engines ever invented, cheap to build, and air cooled means no busted radiators to worry about on the trail.
Really just need spark and fuel and it runs, no computers or other electronics to worry about. I still run points in mine, and have even gotten out of the mountains without a fuel pump (mount the tank higher than the engine Wink ) and gas will siphon to the carb.

I guess I just like the KISS principle to minimize any chance of being stranded since we regularly travel solo and are miles from anything. Never had one leave me stranded.

As far as power, I can sure appreciate the V8 powered rails of today, and several neighbors around me have them (high dollar stuff at about $150k a pop). On the same token we've gotten everywhere we wanted to go all around the Bradshaws in other rails with a simple 1600 dual port for many years. Our current rail runs a strong 1835 and honestly has more power than we really need (or even use) to get to the places we go. To be quite frank about it, with the kind of power the bigger V8 rails make they are only really usefull (and fun where you can open it up) at the dunes, it's not something you want to putt around in the Bradshaws with.

So really it just depends on what you want out of it. Keep in mind I'm a bit nostalgic Very Happy

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