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Posted: Fri Aug 10, 2012 02:57 PM
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Hi guy's,

I recently bought an old and tired bug and I want to give it a new live as a baja bug.
The car will be mainly used on the road with only some occasional light offroad use.
Some info on the car. It is build in 1968 and was first registred in '69. The engine is a '71, 1600 cc with single Solex 34PICT3 carb.
Presently the car is yellow but the original color was Royal Red.

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I have been reading a lot of posts here but still have some basic questions.
I am goint to use a 7 piece baja kit. Not sure if its going to be the wide or narrow eyed version.
I like to get big wheels in the back with smaller, narrower tires up front. How big can I go with only the body modifications and leaving suspension and everything stock? If not, what do I need to change?
I know about the body lift which helps getting bigger tires but would prefer not to. Is there an easy way to get more ground clearence?

All your input will be greatly appreciated. Very Happy
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The stock bug has awesome ground clearance already. Your trouble is approach and departure angle, hence the cutting of the front and rear sheetmetal and installation of the baja kit to keep it looking good and close to weather tight.

Bigger wheels/tires aren't always the best. Try to keep the overall height of the tires near the same if you're not going to beef up the engine or you'll find it much more sluggish and if you can reach it, a higher top speed.

I found snow/mud tires for the front of mine that are nearly the same height as stock, but wider and fits a mag wheel. Also the Rears I found Mud Terrain tires that were about 1 inch over the stock height. Combined with my Engle 110 cam, I have great low-end and still have power to have fun even though it's a 1600.

I don't know what's available to you, but good luck on your project.

ETA - BTW my grandpa made baja's by just trimming the fenders with a good sabre saw and metal cutting blade. You could always start there if you don't want to spend a lot of money.


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Post Post subject: Re: Building a Baja '69
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Thank for the info Conundrum,

I know bigger wheels will slow the car down but I really like the looks Cool and maybe I will upgrade the engine. Top speed is not important. I will look into your Engle 110 cam suggestion. What about changing the carb?
Any suggestions on tire size and rims (offset?).

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It is personal choice on the size of tire you put on the car. With the baja kit on, coil over shocks (can be the cheep ones), and playing with the stock suspention i have put on everything from 31's to 35's on the back. But you do need the wide back rims. And I say a solid trans mount is a must. I would blow out nose cones like a fat kid blows out candles on a cake.


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Post Post subject: Building a Baja '69
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Not just a solid trans mount. The most important part of that is the strap over the forward part of the trans to keep it from tearing off the front mount. The trans nose casting will quickly break with more tire or more hp. The trans tries to do a wheelie and the stock mounts aren't enough to transfer that to the rest of the car. Not that a bug with a mild engine or bigger tires will actually pop wheelies, but the trans tries anyway.

On another note...That 69 Bug is mighty straight and clean to chop it into a Baja.Aren't there any other Bajas or junk Bugs around there?


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There are a few bugs here but no Baja's. Some have been restored very nice.
Do you have any pictures of a strap over the foreward part of the trans because I'm not sure what you mean.
I started the easy part today; stripping the car. Will post pics this week.

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Keep us posted on your progress and when you start you will get the baja bug. Have fun with your project

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wideopenmotorsports wrote:

Thanks for posting that WideOpen.

The strap kits come in two varieties.

One is as you see in the photo and the bolt can be welded directly to the top of the frame horn. Or the bolt can be a long one through holes drilled all the way through the frame horn,. But these can lead to a cracked frame horn. I like to weld a piece of 3/16" x 1-1/2" strap to the top and bottom of the frame horn to prevent cracking.

The second style of strap is one which clamps to the pinch weld flanges on the horns and has rubber padding for the trans case.


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Here's what'll sound like when accelerating on the freeway. I'll get the exact tire size if you want it.

www.youtube.com/watch?...e=youtu.be


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Sounds great, I love it! Very Happy
Can you give me the rim and tire sizes front and rear?
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btw, got any pics?

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Front 205/70R15
Rear LT235/75R15

When I bought them, they were as close as I could get to a stock tire height to keep the gearing within reason and the speedo correct. The fronts are Snow tires and the rear are M/T's. I got them from Tirerack.com, but don't pay for mounting through them. Take them down to a local Tire place. I had to use starting fluid to set the beads. The shop could only get one tire to bead out of the 6 I was paying them to do. We settled and I got the better end of the deal, but just had to do it myself.

My trans is the original '66 6-volt ground out for the 12v flywheel, etc. so gears should be stock, whatever that is. 4th is definately not a gear to accelerate in if you're below your powerband.


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Thanks for the info, I'll keep it in mind.

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Post Post subject: Re: Building a Baja '69
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Hi guy's,

What I thought would be the easy part (removing doors and fenders) turned out to be a real struggle! Boy, did those nuts and bolts put up a fight. Evil or Very Mad
It looked like they were fighting for their live which really was the case since most of them lost their heads in the process Crying or Very sad
As you can see from the pics the car has a lot of rust. Also the wiring harness looks a little different from stock.
Next step is removing the body.
Here are some pics, enjoy Wink

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Wow, could use the Flintstone feet there! Hopefully you have good metal to add the replacement pan halves too.

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To be honest, I'm not sure yet. I have to wait and see what is left after cleaning everything.

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Make sure you replace that brake line to thats the line on the left of the drivers side floor. its supposed to go on the right and be one piece. ":-)


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I'm going to take everything out of the car. I plan on replacing the wiring with an OEM harness and put all new brakelines in it.
This week I have to go to San Antonio, Texas, and when I'm back I'll start on removing the body.

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dutchsubdriver wrote:

the wiring harness looks a little different from stock.

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Wow! An Italian wire harness kit!!! (made of spaghetti!)


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I just posted in another thread about riding in a Baja with floors almost that bad.
azbaja.com/ForumsPro/v...rt=15.html

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That 69 Bug is mighty straight and clean to chop it into a Baja. Aren't there any other Bajas or junk Bugs around there?

Have you considered a full-body Baja? Like a Class 11 race car look?



It will provide an offroad look and capability, while getting better highway speed and better fuel economy.

The car above has 3" wider rear fenders and 8" rear wheels with tires about 30 x 9.50 size. I would prefer 6" rear rims.


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I never thought about a Class 11.
Do you have a llink where I can find more info?
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try class11coalition.com


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Hi guy's,
A few more pictures.

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Can you tell me what the english name is for the front and rear suspension is that I have.
Just to make sure when ordering parts I'm using the right names.
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Looks like Swing Axle in rear and Ball Joint front?

There's something coming off the back of the Swingaxle I've never seen before?



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That's suppost to be straight-up. Its connected with a bar to the other side.

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Since it has the swingaxle it will be a 1968 not a 69. In 69 they were IRS rear axles.

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That's suppost to be straight-up. Its connected with a bar to the other side.

Ah Ha! It's a sway bar. I never saw one on a VW in the rear. At least all the VW's I had it was already removed. Thx.


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What is the purpose of a sway bar, do I need it or shall I remove it?

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Since it has the swingaxle it will be a 1968 not a 69. In 69 they were IRS rear axles.
Yes, you are right. It was build in '68 but first registered in '69.

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I have been searching the internet for parts. Man, there are so many shops that supply Bug parts!
Can you guy's suggest a place where I can (preferably) do all my shopping and who are willing to be patient with a newby? (answer stupid questions Embarassed )
I now need to start ordering the bodykit, new rubbers/bushings for front and rear suspension, new shocks, brakelines etc.
I also want to swap the drumbrakes for discs and go with two carbs and some engine bling.
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What is the purpose of a sway bar, do I need it or shall I remove it?

It's there to help reduce body roll around corners. As a Baja you don't need it, but try and sell it to somebody who still has a beetle.

I like to get as much of my parts locally, but it isn't always the best quality. I like Several places. CHIRCO, Rocky mountain motorworks are where I order online the most. Most are going to be friendly because they need your money and want your return business, let's face it, they're always a project in need of something. LOL

BTW - That's what the Forum is for, to get educated by like minded people and then talk to the pros when you can't do it yourself. It's better than going in saying "it's the duhicky, next to the watchmacallit." Smile


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We don't have much VW parts locally and if there are, its mostly cheap quality stuff.
I saw CHIRCO, looks good.

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Here are some that I have used and will use again. One thing you got to check is shipping cost a good price on a part might not be so good after shipping. There are many others out there I love Chirco I stop in there every time I go to Tucson and the price on the website is the in store price plus they have some good info video's. Good luck shopping.

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Thanks for the info.
All parts have to be shipped to Miami. From there it will be shipped to Curacao.
I don't know the US postal system but am I correct in thinking that shipping will be less if I choose a shop closest to MIami?

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