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Posted: Fri Jun 10, 2011 06:25 PM
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Can someone help me out with this? How much wheel travel does a stock IRS suspension have? And how much travel can I get by adding 3x3 arms?

How much travel do stock Link Pin and Ball Joint front ends have?

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Stock IRS provides around 6" of travel.

3x3 has the potential of nearly 20". That will get me a lot of argument, but if a 5-1600 Baja or 1-2/1600 buggy with +1 x +0 arms, micro stub hubs and 930 CVs can get 17" of travel, there's no excuse for someone with 3x3s and VW hubs and 930s not to be able to get a bit more. The micro stubs do not move the CV flange out 3" from stock, and the longer swing length should help too.

Stock ball joint front ends allow about 5-1/2" and link pin front ends allow about 6". Ball joints are limited to that unless the arms are lengthened, although I can't say I've ever seen longer ball joint arms. And link pins can push 15-17" with +4 arms.


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Thanks for the help. Good info.


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Post Post subject: Re: Wheel travel stock vs. 3x3
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 06:29 PM
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[quote="MojaveRacer208"]Stock IRS provides around 6" of travel.

3x3 has the potential of nearly 20". That will get me a lot of argument, but if a 5-1600 Baja or 1-2/1600 buggy with +1 x +0 arms, micro stub hubs and 930 CVs can get 17" of travel, there's no excuse for someone with 3x3s and VW hubs and 930s not to be able to get a bit more. The micro stubs do not move the CV flange out 3" from stock, and the longer swing length should help too.

Stock ball joint front ends allow about 5-1/2" and link pin front ends allow about 6". Ball joints are limited to that unless the arms are lengthened, although I can't say I've ever seen longer ball joint arms. And link pins can push 15-17" with +4 arms.[/quote

Are these specs taken from the wheel centerline or the shock mount location? I assume they are for positive stop compression to positive stop total droop.


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Post Post subject: Re: Wheel travel stock vs. 3x3
Posted: Fri Jan 27, 2012 10:37 PM
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[quote="MojaveRacer208"]Stock IRS provides around 6" of travel.

3x3 has the potential of nearly 20". That will get me a lot of argument, but if a 5-1600 Baja or 1-2/1600 buggy with +1 x +0 arms, micro stub hubs and 930 CVs can get 17" of travel, there's no excuse for someone with 3x3s and VW hubs and 930s not to be able to get a bit more. The micro stubs do not move the CV flange out 3" from stock, and the longer swing length should help too.

Stock ball joint front ends allow about 5-1/2" and link pin front ends allow about 6". Ball joints are limited to that unless the arms are lengthened, although I can't say I've ever seen longer ball joint arms. And link pins can push 15-17" with +4 arms.[/quote

Are these specs taken from the wheel centerline or the shock mount location? I assume they are for positive stop compression to positive stop total droop.

These are usually quoted pertaining to the wheel itself. Shock mount location will not give you accurate travel numbers, no two are mounted the same. Hence a 10" stroke shock on the front, with +4 arms can give you upwards of 17" of travel.

The shock mount location DOES impact your shock travel, spring rate and dampening.

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Post Post subject: Re: Wheel travel stock vs. 3x3
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If you go for 20" your going to spend a lot of time setting up the suspension as it won't be bolt on. The micro stubs reffered to move the Cvs apart. The wider you go the less severe the angle on the axle vs travel gained so you get more travel with the same with arms.

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Post Post subject: Wheel travel stock vs. 3x3
Posted: Tue Jan 31, 2012 02:57 AM
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Yeah. The guys got it right.

"Wheel travel" is measured AT the wheel, and in relation to a fixed point on the car. Or if the car is sitting still on a level floor, then it can be measured form the floor.

On various offroad forums I run across all sorts of BS about weird ways to measure wheel travel. Guys get into measuring the arc of travel and all sorts of stuff.

Bottom line is how much the wheel moves up and down compared to the body/chassis of the vehicle.


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