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Posted: Sat May 07, 2011 05:09 AM
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All,

Finally got my Manx project initiated. I want to build a mid travel 4 seat long body manx. Basically identical to the green Dans Performance Parts Manx.

I picked up a good deal on a roller, with motor minus interior. Its a 1976, IRS rear and BJ front (but I already have two complete LP setups to convert. The body is a 1970's longbody, but in rough shape. I hope I can work the glass and use it - if not I will have to bite the bullet and get one of the newer $2200 bodies (wife will hate me).

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BTW, those ANSEN wheels are for sale, they include good tread 185/70/14 tires.

And of course, here is my end goal:

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Post Post subject: Mid Travel Manx - long road ahead
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i haven't done that much fiberglass work, just small repairs on my 1 piece front end, but the main thing is that it takes A LOT of time. don't get impatient with it and just know before you start that it's probably going to be the longest and hardest part of the project.

looks like a great start. keep the updates coming. this will be cool to see the finished product


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Post Post subject: Re: Mid Travel Manx - long road ahead
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I have done some glass work when I was younger. It's not so bad except for the itching. I worked on a 65 vette when I was in training for body and paint work. I will be happy to share what I know Shouldn't take too long Shocked Very Happy

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Post Post subject: Re: Mid Travel Manx - long road ahead
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I have done a lot of fiberglass work and sometimes you just have to decide what you want in the end. If you want the green car, then pony up the $$$ for the new body. You will be happier with your results in the end. No sense in putting a thousand dollar paint job on a two hundred dollar body.

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Post Post subject: Re: Mid Travel Manx - long road ahead
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I have done a lot of fiberglass work and sometimes you just have to decide what you want in the end. If you want the green car, then pony up the $$$ for the new body. You will be happier with your results in the end. No sense in putting a thousand dollar paint job on a two hundred dollar body.

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Post Post subject: Re: Mid Travel Manx - long road ahead
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I agree. While baja fiberglass is cheap, the amount of time I spent making cracked and shattered fiberglass on my Baja as good as new was not worth it I had at least 6 hours in each piece. Feathering cracks and laying in mat and glass and then top coat each piece in new resin and glass. No matter how much I rolled the bubbles out it seemed there was always some air bubble that appeared requiring even more work. Even with new parts there is hours of work on the high and low spots of new panels to make them look straight. Another major annoyance were bees who went crazy over the smell of fresh mixed resin.
Here is a link. I did not take many pictures of the glass work but each panel was cracked, pieces missing and the gel coat crazed with stress cracks.

www.azbaja.com/ForumsP...=Baja.html

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Thanks for the insight Gents, at this point, after talking with a few friends I think it is best to just get a new body. Not because I don't want to do the glasswork (I actually want to learn), but because I think I will be much happier with a body designed for offroad and long travel. I started looking deeper and once I cut the front fenders to clear the shock hoops, there wont be much glass left to hold the front section. This is one thing the new bodies have, the dash and hood are all integrated into the body, so that its much stronger up front.

I thought, well I could just glass the hood into the front fenders and that would be really nice, but I think I'm nearing 100's of hours of glasswork to get this body where I want it.

So, I will be selling this body to someone who wants a 70's body and start pinching my pennies for a new body from DansPerformance.

I have plenty to work on in the meantime, I picked up two complete LP beams that I will be used for the LP conversion - need to remove the framehead and start all that. I can prep the pan as well while I save up.

I pulled the motor this weekend and its not completely seized, tt rotates but hangs up when 1 cylinder reaches TDC, so either a bent valve or something dropped into the cylinder - Ill be tearing that down this weekend.

More updates to come.

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Post Post subject: Re: Mid Travel Manx - long road ahead
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Started pulling everything apart today. Separated the body from pan, pulled the lift kit so I can sell the body and lift kit.

I also tore down the motor to see why it was binding up, and it looks like it did get water into the heads, looks like valves were closed based on the jugs being clean, but not sure if I should slap a set of jugs/pistons and heads on or just go ahead and go through the whole motor.

Anyway, as it sits now, Im hoping to sell the body off and get most of my extra parts sold so that I can start putting the suspension together. The plan is to prep/clean the chassis and get it coated. Then move on to suspension components - planning to build my own beam +6, running Bugzyla 2.5 Arms and 3x3's in the rear. Hoping to get 14" all the way around. Most likely going to push the front beam forward 6 inches as well like I did on the Baja, but wont be able to do that until I pony up for the FRP Body.

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Post Post subject: Re: Mid Travel Manx - long road ahead
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Tore down the motor the rest of the way tonight. Overall it was in great shape, BUT someone let it sit and get water inside one of the cylinders - of course!

So it looks like a rebuild is in order, but curious whether I should just slap some pistons/jugs and have the heads rebuilt. The shortblock is smooth and no play, but I have no idea on mileage or condition. I guess I will cross that road later.

I had a thought today about the body, I currently have it up for sale and planned on purchasing a new complete body from FRP, but I saw the cheaper "body ring" version they sell:


Basically its just the upper ring, and the sides are crafted in aluminum or whatever you want. This got me thinking, maybe I should just save the $2400 for a new body and cut the one I have. I could buy a new hood and glass it in completely up front, cut out the lower half of the body and end up with just an upper ring.

This is an idea, not my current plan, but a good thought. Still a lot of work to go that route.

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That's not a bad idea. It never surprises me about all of the options we have building these VW's.

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Ya, Im going to focus on the suspension for now, prepping the pan and tranny, building the beam etc. Ill make that decision towards the end of the summer.

Im searching for a bunch of parts so it might be a while. Smile

Wanna sell me some of that motor stuff back - LOL

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Sold the body this morning. Now down to just the bare pan and drivetrain. Hoping to sell the wheels soon, that will give me some cash for parts.

Might be working some deals with Joe at Chirco, he wants some of the parts im selling and would give me store credit Smile Might work out better that way. Need to focus on obtaining a set of 2.5" longer front LP arms and a set of 3x3's.

Im going to build a new beam this week (+6) no towers and start coating the pan.

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That picture of the rail with the drop over Manx top looks like the way to go. As for the engine build a 1915 or a mild 2275 stoker. Keep the cam in the W 100-W110 duration and you have lots of bottom end torque to move the weight of the cage and upgraded suspension.

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That picture of the rail with the drop over Manx top looks like the way to go. As for the engine build a 1915 or a mild 2275 stoker. Keep the cam in the W 100-W110 duration and you have lots of bottom end torque to move the weight of the cage and upgraded suspension.

I'm backing Perrib on this one. 2110 is another engine size which should work nicely. Good torque.


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I'm not set on motor yet, but there is a pretty large price difference between a 1915 cookie cutter and a stroker motor. Unless I get a smoking deal on a crank/case combo, I doubt I will go the stroked route.

How much of a weight comparison do you think a fully tubular Manx would have in comparison to a fully tubular baja? When I had my baja (fully caged/tubular chassis) I had an 1835 single weber and a 1600, cammed, dual weber 40's that I ran in it over the years, both were strong and never really had any complaints. I would guess the baja weighed more than a Manx, am I wrong?

On a side note, I should be starting my beam this weekend. Feels great to finally be able to break out the welder and fab tools again Very Happy

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Just ordered a set of 2.5x1 arms and rear 3x3's from Daryl

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Just ordered a set of 2.5x1 arms and rear 3x3's from Daryl
Sounds Sweet ........ Let's see the pics of the parts when you get them

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Picked up a set of 10" Fox Rezzys today, also grabbed a complete rear set of type 3 brakes and a pair of almost new front 15x6 white spoke wide 5.

Got it all for $200 bux, now I just need a set of rear 15x8's and Im ready to start putting parts together.

I talked to Daryll today, he has the 3x3's almost finished and waiting on the tubing for the front arms, but within the next couple weeks I should have my front and rear arms. Getting the itch to start building.

The shocks I picked up are in great shape, just rebuilt and recharged but they are painted black. Any tips on cleaning them up? The bodies are aluminum right? I wire wheeled the paint off but they metal itself isnt as purdy as I expected.

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If there aluminum you can progressively sand and polish until you get the shine you like. I did my Harley like that quite a few years ago and hand sanded and polished every thing that was aluminum. It was a labor of love but the outcome was worth it.

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Finally had some more time to pull the car apart. Got most of the pan tore down (just the rear left to go, but Im waiting for my arms to come in for that)

Just finished some minor rust treatments, but should be ready to coat it with bedliner - once i remove the seat mounts of course.




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Holy large photo batman, anyway to scale teh images in the src tag?

If not Ill resize them tonight.

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Corrected picture size.

Picked up 10' of 2" DOM .120 wall tubing to build my beam. Also picked up the adjusters and bushings to complete the front. I should be picking up my parts from Daryl next Sunday (26th) - cant wait.

Decided to go with .120 wall 1.5" Mild steel for the full chassis. I thought about going DOM, but man the price on that is nearly 3x mild steel.

Anyway, getting closer, hoping to have a complete rolling base frame in a few weeks - still need a set of 15x8 wide 5 rear wheels Smile

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still need a set of 15x8 wide 5 rear wheels Smile
I guess I can let go of the rear wheels I have stashed and 15x8 I think. They are wide. Give me a shout

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PM'd ya!

I was planning to build my beam tonight, but I am beat. Let me tell you, replacing EPDM rubber roofing on a 30' fifth wheel is a lot of work. full 10 hour day and Im ready to start installing the new roof, 'nother long day tomorrow - Beam will have to wait till next weekend :/

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Heading to Phoenix tomorrow to pick up my front arms and 3x3's from Daryll. Also, ordering my race-prepped 930 kit (axles, CV's bearings, stubs and flanges) today - going through Jeff at The Kaddie Shack

Cant wait to start putting things together

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Full race prep 930 Axles, cvs, stubs, and flanges are ordered - Thanks 57Baja - killer deal he has going there. Should be here soon!

Also picked up some new hardware for the car today - Thanks Daryll!

New 2.5x1 LP Arms:

3x3's - these things are beefy (Daryll challenged me to try and break them Twisted Evil ):


More to come!

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Those parts are sweeeeettt!!!!!
Nice work Daryll

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Well, went over and picked up my bender from my friend who was storing it Confused I wish he would have told me they left it outside, now I have a ton of surface rust to take care of - Gonna be pissed if I have to replace all my dies...




My side project this next week is to build a base/cart for the bender. I cant mount it to my garage (post tension), but I want to build a dual purpose cart. It will be a great place to hold the bender and dies while still being mobile - and ad an attachment so I can insert it to a hitch of a truck to secure it. The second plan is to pick up the HF air over hydraulic and convert this to a slowpoke hydraulic bender - found this killer adapter I might spring for:

http://www.swagoffroad.com/Tubing_Bender_Air_Hydraulic_Mount.html

Im itching to get started on the fabrication aspects of this build, I figure building this will hold me over while I wait for my 930 conversion kit to arrive and get my order of 1.5" .120 tubing.

Till next time...

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Finished the pan prep today and hit it with some cheap spray on beadliner:


Also mocked up the rear 3x3's I picked up from Daryll:



Once the 930 conversion kit arrives, Ill mock the rear up completely. Hoping to build the beam this weekend too, but wont be able to hang it until I start the chassis.

More to come...

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Got the beam mocked up, 6 Over with adjusters set to use a single set of LP torsions cut in half.

Tacked and waiting for final assembly:


Also, I have my 930 Conversion sitting here waiting for install, just havent had time to put it together Sad


School starts soon for me, so things will slow down even more, but I am finally to the point where I have all the parts I need to finish the suspension and get to a rolling chassis point.

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Looks like you have been busy. Looks great by the way

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I was able to get some more work done tonight.

I completed the stub axle installation - using early rear brakes (not sure I like having to use the spacer - might look into later wide-5 or type2/thing setup)






Beam visualization





These are all mocked Measurements:

As it sits now, the rear track width, drum to drum with 3x3's and early wide 5 brakes, is sitting at 62" - I have not installed the axles and CV's, nor have I adjusted the toe on the arms. My 15x8 wheels will add 5.5" to each side (outside lip)

Front track width is sitting at 64", drum to drum with +6 custom beam and 2.5x1" arms. Front 15x6 wheels will add 4" to each side (outside lip).

Overall wheel base, if I push the beam 8" will be somewhere around 106" at ride height.


Im to the point now where I really need to start designing the chassis, but I dont think I can do too much without the body - I could possibly mockup the base of the cage/chassis and mock the beam hang, but thats pretty risky without a body for reference.

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Man its been a while, but I am still working on this project. I have been doing a lot of horse trading, buying and selling parts and acquiring many parts off my list.

I picked up a lot of good parts at Bugtober fest, enough to complete my motor build (1st motor). I decided to go with a simple refresh for my first motor, 1641, new heads, single weber 40. This will be used for the car while I build a bigger motor (the second AS41 I have) - probably just stick to a simple 1915 with dual webers.

I scored a killer deal on wheels and tires today. Got a brand new set of white, wide 5 spoked wheels. 15x8 rear and 15x7 fronts. They have brand new tires, 31x10.5x15's rear and some 235/70/15's up front. Picked these up for $180 for the set.





These should provide a great base to the car - not the exact tire combo I wanted but just couldnt pass up the deal. Now I can sell off my current set of Wide-5 wheels to someone who needs em.

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If you use CB unitech rods or Scats version the difference between a 69x94 (1915) and a 78.4x94 (2165) is the difference in crank prices. $289 vs $185. The larger engine works a lot less to get the vehicle moving. If your not using ported heads stick with the 1915.

I ran a 1835 with a Weber cam version of the VZ 15 with a single Dellorto and a 3 rib transaxle in my non caged Baja and it worked fine turning 31 10.50 tires.

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If you use CB unitech rods or Scats version the difference between a 69x94 (1915) and a 78.4x94 (2165) is the difference in crank prices. $289 vs $185. The larger engine works a lot less to get the vehicle moving. If your not using ported heads stick with the 1915.

I ran a 1835 with a Weber cam version of the VZ 15 with a single Dellorto and a 3 rib transaxle in my non caged Baja and it worked fine turning 31 10.50 tires.

What level of case clearance is needed to run a 78.4 crank though? I have always wanted to build a stroker, but having to clearance the case is what scares me off. I like doing everything myself if I can and have usually just paid the local shop to open the case (they dont clearance cases though).

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just started my build going to be similar to your cept going coilovers in the rear. will start posting pics soon may need to pick your brain a bit never done a manx allways chevy 4x4s

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just started my build going to be similar to your cept going coilovers in the rear. will start posting pics soon may need to pick your brain a bit never done a manx allways chevy 4x4s

For sure, hit me up anytime. This is my first Manx build, but I have built a few Baja's prior to this Smile

BTW, I intend to go full coil-overs in the future, I am building the car for coils, but running torsions and decent shocks for now. As with any project, it starts out pie in the sky, but ends up never getting their, this way I figure I can build a solid foundation have it drivable and usable, then continue to upgrade it over time - but still be able to use it.

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Post Post subject: Re: Mid Travel Manx - long road ahead
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What level of case clearance is needed to run a 78.4 crank though? I have always wanted to build a stroker, but having to clearance the case is what scares me off. I like doing everything myself if I can and have usually just paid the local shop to open the case (they dont clearance cases though).

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I think we can clearance the case ourselves. I plan on doing the same 78mm.
The 78 is doable. 82 needs much more clearance not sure I would try that one at least @ home with out a mill to make it nice. Others please chime in

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not sure if your still interested in a body but scott over at mgf in san marcos has a yamaha blue body hell let go for 1500 i cant pony up that for a couple weeks.

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not sure if your still interested in a body but scott over at mgf in san marcos has a yamaha blue body hell let go for 1500 i cant pony up that for a couple weeks.

I am definitely interested. I havent heard of MGF, but do you have a contact number? Do you know if its the widebody/raised body?

I will snag that now if its available.

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7607448909 just so you know your taking my deal its the long body with built in lift updated dash you owe me. Let scott know toby gave you the info on it.

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7607448909 just so you know your taking my deal its the long body with built in lift updated dash you owe me. Let scott know toby gave you the info on it.

Thanks Toby, but I already talked to Scott (thanks Scott Smile ) Unfortunately it's not a mid-travel body, which I suspected with that price. The mid travel body is wider, taller and a one-piece unit - it retails for $2400. The one he has sitting there is a long-body, but not mid-travel - it wont work for me Sad

Thanks for the heads up though, I was super excited to jump on it!

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So I talked with Scott at FRPManx (MGM Plastics) about color selection. I want to run a bright color, but the green/orange/yellow I see everywhere and I want to be different. Thus, PINK!

I tossed the idea to the wifey and she loved it. After talking to Scott, he mentioned that he has only build 1 pink one (Pepto Bismol) and I found a picture of it:


I like it! We are definitely going to go pink with silver cage, black chassis. The only decision left is whether we want to go a little brighter pink, e.g. Hot Pink or just go with the Pepto Pink.

As it looks now, I will be ordering the body late December with the hopes of picking it up early January!

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maybe we can work him for a twofer deal ill be ready by them to purchase mine as well

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maybe we can work him for a twofer deal ill be ready by them to purchase mine as well

Heck ya, I would be down for that. As December approaches, we will have to touch base on that.

On a side note, if anyone is looking for a manx project, here is a killer deal, just add motor and go!

http://phoenix.craigslist.org/evl/cto/2670164031.html

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Just ordered the body from Scott at FRP Manx.

We talked about the Pink some more and he said it really wasnt a hot pink, not a bright color pink - which I dont want Sad

We decided to fall back on the original idea and go with the Green. So it should look something like this:



Anyway, he said he was slow and will probably have it done mid next week. Which means I will be heading to San Diego to pick it up next week some time - shipping was close to $700.

More to come when it gets in my garage

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I should have my body ready tomorrow for pick up wife choose burgundy. will be going to lake havasu this weekend can help with delivery if needed.

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That would be awesome, but unfortunately the body wont be ready until next week at the earliest. I haven't heard back from Scott, but he should be letting me know early next week - It all depended on whether he could get the color in quick enough.

Blaine

BTW, I really liked the Burgundy as well, almost went that route.

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I got the call yesterday that the body is ready for pickup. Scott said the green came out great and is very 'bright' - he said it looks amazing.

Ill be heading out to San Diego next Friday to pick it up Twisted Evil

I also ordered the seats for the car this week. Chirco did me right and price matched some of the online retailers for the Empi race-trim lowback seats (with headrests) - I am curious to see how well they hold up compared to beard and prp.

I haven't done a lot on the car lately, but I have been filling my time with some side fabrication projects building wrought iron security doors and window guards for people:




I never realized the potential with this stuff. I did 6 windows and a double door for the rear of my brothers house. He was quoted $3600 for this exact design, color and installation. I built them all for around $240 in materials and a couple days of work.

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Got the seats yesterday:



The front seats have matching headrests, but didnt have them in for the pics. They were pretty crappy to be honest. Empi sucked it up with the assembly of them. They were backwards to start - the rods have notches on one side so you can adjust the headrest, but they had them reversed such that if you put them on the seat, the headrest folded and curved to the back.

I pulled them apart to fix it and the bars were bent and two of the bolts holding them in had stripped threads on the nuts...

The seats themselves are pretty darn nice actually, sad to see such fail with the headrests.

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Picked up the Body this weekend. Took the family out to California to hit up Legoland and San Diego. We ended up breaking down on the way out, in lovely Tacna Az... (Fixed it though with the good old Icepick trick - Duramax hack)

Anyway, body made it home safely and landed right on the pan.





Pseudo Suspension Mockup Smile


I am now debating on whether I should continue with the Pan or not. I am tempted to go full tubular, but not sure how that works with getting it titled, street legal and emissions etc.

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Kind of do both, Use the pan as the base of the car and tube around it. My Baja is that way. You can cut the body off and the cage is the car. The only real part of the pan that is used is the Tunel. It is the point that the cage builds of for the front and the rear torshion housing is the rear build point.


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Kind of do both, Use the pan as the base of the car and tube around it. My Baja is that way. You can cut the body off and the cage is the car. The only real part of the pan that is used is the Tunel. It is the point that the cage builds of for the front and the rear torshion housing is the rear build point.

That was my current plan, to build it off the tunnel. But I am thinking I might just scrap the pan all together and build it fully tubular.

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Scored a great deal on coilovers today. I picked up a full set of ADS 2.125" Coilovers. 10" for the front, 14" for the rear, with reservoirs.

Super excited to get the mockups going now. Pictures to come

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Did some quick seat mockups, these things are wider than I thought. Gonna be tight with the cage.



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As I read this, it seems it would have made sense to have ordered one of the top ring bodies with the tube frame. Why get a body to fit a pan and then immediately scrap the pan?



There's a cool fiberglass buggy with a full tube frame for sale on TOS. www.thesamba.com/vw/cl...id=1179529



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There are a couple of reasons why I went with the full body manx instead of the upper body ring. Main reason was because of cost, the upper body ring is $1600, but then by the time I add in the custom aluminum panels for the sides, fire walls, rear deck area etc, it cost significantly more than the full body.

I plan to stick with the pan on this build, mainly because I dont have a chassis table/jig to build a full ground up structural chassis and can use the stock vw pan as my base and build from there.

In the end, the full body will give me some better protection from the elements and its nice having the interior match the whole car.


Thats not a bad buggy on thesamba, but even with my new body cost and material for the cage, I will be cheaper and everything is new - at the cost of time of course Smile

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Picked up a good deal on a set of Front Tatum Billet Disc Brakes.


Now I need to find a deal on some matching rears.

More to come

(Still waiting to pick up my Coilovers from ADS)

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I have ADS coilovers on my 5 car. Steve Kuker builds a great shock. You will not be disappointed.

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I have ADS coilovers on my 5 car. Steve Kuker builds a great shock. You will not be disappointed.

Nice, Steve treated me right. They matched the price of the Fox's that were on a 20% sale. I will be running a 10" front and 14" rear (both rezzy's)

I havent bought springs yet, but Steve said they would weigh the car and select the right spring for me and help adjust valving once the car is done. Super stoked and I am happy to support a local shop.

I got the call yesterday they were ready for pickup, but didnt have a chance. Should pick them up today.

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Picked up the shocks today. Man these things are sick!





These things are impressive. Comparing them to the set of Fox2.0 Coils I have laying around, these put them to shame Twisted Evil

I will be running 10" 2.125 Fronts and 14" 2.125 rears. Coil springs im not sure of yet, once the car is complete ADS will weigh it and give me the correct springs and tune the shocks.

Im very close to starting the chassis. Just wating for my Torsion Eliminators to show up and need to secure a set of Combo Spindles and +4 arms.


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I finally have all of the front end parts acquired. Picked up the beam, tweed +4 arms and empi combo spindles.


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Nice new toys, got to love it! Now the fun begins.

Not quite yet, I still have to secure a set of rear disc brakes and all the tubing for the chassis. Im trying to locate a source for decent priced steel tubing. I want to run DOM 1.5" 095 wall if I can, but its nearly $5 a foot local.

The other wrench thrown into my plans is, we might be moving in the next month or two. I would hate to start the chassis build and then have to move it mid-build to our new house. On the plus side, the new house is going to have a custom 20x30 detached garage (in addition to the attached 20x24) and its for my projects and my projects only Twisted Evil

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Thats about what DOM costs in Phoenix. I have put my 30 plus year old rail up against almost everything I can think of and the cheaper welded tubing has held up I get cracks but they seem to be around the same stress points I see repaired on off road race cars. One trick with the welded is not to strech the welded seam when bending. A dedicated garage is a very good thing.

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Been a while since my last update. We are in the process of moving and part of that is trying to gather my huge parts collection for this car and prepare to move it Confused

I had to make the car a roller so I can fill the tub with parts, which forced me to at least mock up the front.

Front end info:
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Pictures of it mocked in place - the beam is in the stock location, but once the chassis is started, it will be pushed almost 8" forward.






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I guess I have been out of touch lately. Nice progress and if I can help with your move let me know. Keep in touch

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State of the art 20 years ago seems old school today.

I have some brake envy going on here.


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Well, after a long hiatus (moving took a lot out of me and took a hit to the car fund), I am back at work. Finally rolled the car out of the garage this weekend and started chopping. I had to remove some of the rear factory shocktowers for the body to sit flush on the pan and finally mounted the body.



I also started on the motor and will be building a mild 1915 for now (keeping it cheap), but found out the case I was holding onto was junk - DOH.

Also ordered my tubing - 160 feet of 1.5" DOM and it should be here next week.

Look for a lot of status updates from me in the coming weeks. Thanksgiving will kill a week for me, but I am hoping to have this whole chassis tacked up before Christmas Break!

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Cool. Glad to see some updates.


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Hey, I clicked on your post looking for some inspiration for my buggy i'm building, and I was surprised to see my current buggy on your first couple posts. I must have bought it off the guy you sold it to. I will try and get some pics up here so you can see the transformation it has taken.

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The buggy is really looking good. Keep us updated

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jmert wrote:
Hey, I clicked on your post looking for some inspiration for my buggy i'm building, and I was surprised to see my current buggy on your first couple posts. I must have bought it off the guy you sold it to. I will try and get some pics up here so you can see the transformation it has taken.

I would love that, I still second guess myself on whether I should have stuck with the original body and learned to glass - but with how long this has taken me already, I can only imagine how much farther behind I would be.

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Cant figure out how to load pics send me a text and i will send you some pics. Jason 520- five 76-two2 75

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