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Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2011 03:17 PM
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Never heard of this....using needle bearings on the rod jurnal's. Whats the skinny on this setup?

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Not a good idea, The flat baerings like we have now ride on a film of oil that is under presure from the oil pump. You have a large surface area to ride on much like how a hover craft floats over the ground there should never be any metal to metal contact.

Roller bearings have metal to metal contact and do to the way the rods cycle up and down it will pound the crank. You will also need a lot more oil to keep the bearings from burning up. A little hick up in the oil flow and you have burnt up your bearings. Questions on that ask some guys that loose oil flow to a turbo and see how fast the turbo burns up it's bearings.

The roller bearings that would also add to the rotating mass of the internals, not a good thing.

On the other hand like in wheels the roller bearings move at a slower speed and have a more or less evan rotation on them unlike the pounding the bearings would get in a rod.

You could probaly get away with roller bearings in the wrist pin, but your still giving them a pounding with every power stroke. I have heard that some cams have roller bearings and this is do to the evan rotation on the cam.

If I recal Porche at one time had some sort of roller bearings on the carnk in some cars, but to run them you needed a lot of oil and you had to rev the engine at a higher RPM to keep oil on the bearings. Seems the bearings did not like the slower speed at idle were oil flow dropped off.


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Actually VW produced some industrial motors that had roller bearings. The crankshaft was made of multiple pieces in order to slide the bearings on the journals and then the crank was pressed together. Not possible to do with a standard VW crankshaft that most of us have seen.


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Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2011 07:18 PM
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Roller bearings are normal in motorcycle engines, especially 2-strokes. In VWs, they've been used for high performance at least since the early 50s.

In 1952, my dad was working for a guy named Johnny Von Neuman, who was instrumental in importing VWs and Porsches into the US and was involved in getting VW Of America setup up and rolling. My dad's car at the time was a 52 Bug with an "Okrasa" engine. That was German Tuner version of a "25 horse" 1,100cc with a roller crank, high performance cam, dual port heads and dual carbs. He said that it screamed. High praise for a hot rod guy who was used to highly modified V8 powered cars, raced dry lakes, track roadsters and an Offy Midget in their heyday.

A roller crank can be a good thing. But make sure you know how the motor should go together before you toss it in.


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You also need to remember that most motercycles are High RPM engines and a light internal roating mass. Most out boards use roller beraings in them too. But look at the loading your turning a prop or a small tire as in a motorcycle and your running somthing that runs at high RPMs.

The only other thing is if it was a good idea don't you think that some car maker would have decided to use this in full large scale production? I'm thinking there is a huge trade off in bearing life over the life time of the engine.

There is also some other eginering stuff the needs to be looked at.

ROI is not that good. better places to spend your money for better gains


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I wanted to post some pics of this crankshaft but I forgot how to do that...lol.
The rods are made on the crank.....with roller bearings, bronze coated.

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