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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:55 AM
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just joined but I've been checking out the website for info for a few days now, great site!! Just bought my first rail buggy finally and well it's no "prize", but the kicker is I only gave $400 for it. It runs/drives but needs freshening up badly (needs rings). I figured I got it cheap enough so that I could put a few dollars into it and have a cheap ride. I've got a few questions though bout my buggy. I've only got a few crappy pics of it at the moment but I'm gonna take some more detailed ones tomorrow of the areas I have questions about. I ran the numbers on the motor and its supposed to be a 69-70 1500cc single port. I was thinking of ordering a rebuild kit from JC Whitney first off, are they any count? I looked at I think the 87mm rebuild kit to take the 1500cc up to a 1650. for if I remember correctly around $145 with pistons, rings, and cylinders. Also it's in severe need of a tranny swap, it's way too high geared for any trail riding. I was thinking until I can find a 3 rib bus tranny, could I get by for now by just running a shorter tire? It currently has new 31x10.5's and I was thinkin of buyin a set of 27x10.5 skidsteer tires. I figure that a 4" shorter tire should get me a little closer to where I need to be. Heres a few pics to show you what kind of work lies ahead of me!!!lol Feel free to chime in and point me in the right direction of things I should look for or things to correct



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Posted: Fri Feb 25, 2011 11:02 PM
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The tires were my first thought when you said gearing. There are a lot of agricultural tire options out there for off-road only. Most of them are wide, but thats okay if you are fenderless. It looks like a good chassis, and hell for $400 thats like a sore ****, you just cant beat it. With a little paint and some TLC it will be a sharp rig. Here is a rpm and speed calculator. www.csgnetwork.com/mul...mcalc.html Just plug in your ratios which if it is a 1969 should be 1st=3.80 2nd=2.06 3rd=1.21 4th=.89 Final=4.375 and that will give you a good idea of tire size you should run. Happy trails. rubber side down.


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Post Post subject: Re: another newb, just bought my first rail
Posted: Sat Feb 26, 2011 02:39 AM
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Welcome to the site from the Mid-West... Laughing


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Post Post subject: another newb, just bought my first rail
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 06:27 AM
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FINALLY got done painting all of it about 4am this morning. I ended up doing the entire frame/cage with bedliner coating. Covered really well but was a bit tricky getting all of the tubing!! Anything I've ever painted has always been flat surfaces for the most part, not long skinny pieces of tubing!! Looks a LOT better than the above pics, meant to snap a few pics but at 4am, well lets just say I'd seen enough of it for one day! Haven't driven it much due to fixing all the little sh*t on it that had to be attended to. What little that I have run it, well needless to say I've got 1 cylinder with a broke ring I believe, smokes like a stove pipe. Has any of you all dealt with the budget so called "big bore" kits from JC Whitney? Their website claims they sell a big bore kit with cylinders,pistons,rings, and no machining, just a bolt on kit for $145. Sounds too cheap but I'm debating on buyin it

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I know where you can get a CoFap 1600cc SP or DP kit with rings cyl and pistons for $100 brand new in the box. My buddy ran a VW shop, but business dried up and I think he has a few left. He's in Mcalester, OK. I just helped a friend install a set in a super beetle and they seemed to be pretty good quality to me.


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-2001 Jeep Cherokee, 6.5'' LA lift, lockers, gears, D44 axles, 4.7L stroker kit, 4:1 Transfer, Lots & Lots More. Done. -1985 Monte Carlo SS
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And there are some good ag tire sources in this thread. www.thesamba.com/vw/fo...p?t=247735


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-2001 Jeep Cherokee, 6.5'' LA lift, lockers, gears, D44 axles, 4.7L stroker kit, 4:1 Transfer, Lots & Lots More. Done. -1985 Monte Carlo SS
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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 07:12 PM
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would it work on mine since its just a 1500cc? I'm still pretty new to air cooled vw's but I was under the impression that it would work from 1300-1600cc? If it'll work on my motor consider it sold, just give me some details on where/how to send payment

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Post Post subject: Re: another newb, just bought my first rail
Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 08:23 PM
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Welcome to AZBaja. 4" shoirter tires will help quite a bit. Run old smokey as it is.
Chances are if you build the top end the bottom will fail soon after you build the top end. Start searching for a spare engine and/or start assembling parts for a very mild 1915 engine. Use stock crank, rods, dual port heads and a cam no larger than a Scat C20, CB 2232, Engle VZ 14 or Engle W 100. None of these cams turn enough rpm to hurt as balanced stock parts. Jeff aka Kaddie Shack can set you up with a set of dual Kadrons set up for the engine size and cam. Cost is about $200 more than a stock rebuild plus the cost of carbs.

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Posted: Sun Feb 27, 2011 09:06 PM
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I would expect the skidsteer tires to be relatively VERY HEAVY, which will make the buggy ride terribly. There are other tire alternatives as Perrib mentioned.

The gearing problem suggests you probably have a late IRS gear box. We can't see the suspension or gearbox from the pics so far, but 31 x 10.50 tires should be fine with the ratios in any stock VW gearbox up through 72 IRS. The late IRS can be distinguished by looking at the case where the axles connect. If it has a ring of bolts holding a cast plate to the side of the gearbox on both sides, it's a 72 or earlier. If it has this on one side of the gearbox, but the other side just has the main gearbox casting all the way to the CV, then it is a 73 or later. The late gearbox has a final drive ratio of 3.88: 1. This is not terrible, but the difference to the earlier 4.12:1 or earlier swingaxle ratio of 4.37:1 is substantial. The 3-rib Bus 002 gearbox final drive is like 5.14:1.

The gear ratios may not be a problem once you get the engine running right. It may just have a lack of power due to a dying engine. T

The Cofap pistons and cylinders are OK. Not the BEST quality, but should work fine for a play buggy like yours. The JC Whitney ones should work fine too.

87mm is good. It actually creates a 1641cc engine. 85.5mm is 1600, 83mm makes a 1500. 1300 cases are bored for cylinders the same as 1500 or 1600, but the 1300 heads have smaller bores.

Hey...Bottom line...Welcome to AZ Bajas!!! Why don't you get a build thread going in the Baja general section.


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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 01:42 AM
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thanks for the info, I'm almost positive that its swing axle rear with ball joint front. I think I'm gonna go ahead and get a cheap rebuild kit and try to get by for now. I'm almost positive that I've got a broke ring right now or I would just run it the way it is, but it's smokin pretty badly!

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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2011 09:52 AM
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He sold his last rebuild kit today. Sorry for the timing. Like the other fellow said for playing I think a JC Whitney kit would be fine. Pretty simple to install too. Best of luck. Happy Trails. Rubber side down.


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Heres some more recent pics of my "work in progress", hence the yellow sign!! Thanks anyways on the rebuild kit, I went ahead and ordered one from jc whitney yesterday, comes with pistons, rings, and cylinders. What all gaskets will I need to do this? I've never had a vw motor apart but have assembled several of my own motors in the past, so pretty confident I can pull it off. lol

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An entire gasket kit is pretty cheap so I would order the whole thing. You will need base, head, valve cover, and whatever intake and exhaust gasket you replace. Here is a complete kit from Jbugs for $18 www.jbugs.com/category...-kits.html


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-2001 Jeep Cherokee, 6.5'' LA lift, lockers, gears, D44 axles, 4.7L stroker kit, 4:1 Transfer, Lots & Lots More. Done. -1985 Monte Carlo SS
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[quote="dogknott"]thanks for the info, I'm almost positive that its swing axle rear with ball joint front.


From the pics we can see its an IRS rear / ball joint front. Looks like a fun Project. Good luck and Welcome to AZBAJA!


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