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Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 06:22 PM
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the last couple days i've been having the problem of: sometimes, my car starts and other times it does. when it doesn't, the starter solenoid won't even pop/click.
volt meter almost always reads 15 volts...
i replaced the battery under warranty from walmart last night (was about 8 months old). this battery is supposed to be used in trucks, it's bigger than the battery for my 97 buick lesabre...
is my battery toast or is there something else like the voltage regulator that is done for?

i do have auxillary lights, but rarely use them.


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Posted: Fri Dec 19, 2008 06:31 PM
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Have you had the starter tested? I was having a somewhat similar problem not too long ago. Did you check the ground straps? I have limited knowledge for sure, but when my starter wouldn't click or anything, it was due to a bad ground strap. It looked good still, but the eye that the bolt goes through had been torn on one side and wasn't making a solid connection. I ended up replacing the ground strap and even though the starter tested fine at Checker, I replaced it because I couldn't figure anything else out. Turns out that the starter had shorted itself out somehow since the ground hadn't been connected. Worth looking at at least. I am sure someone else will stop by soon though with a more knowledgable answer. Good luck!


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nope, everybody is busy


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TRY KNOCKING ON THE STARTER SYLONOID WITH A HAMMER A FEW TIMES THAN TRY TO START IT!. I was having the same problem.


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TRY KNOCKING ON THE STARTER SYLONOID WITH A HAMMER A FEW TIMES THAN TRY TO START IT!. I was having the same problem.

Believe it or not, that will work a lot of the time, but only few a week or two. Sounds like the starter solenoid is trying to up and leave, normally I'll just replace the whole starter because for these cars, they're cheap anyway. When you reinstall one, I always recommend (like MusicManiac mentioned) a grounding strap. Even though the starter is grounding itself through your transmission, I'd put a strap from one of your starters mounting bolts onto the body of the car. This will provide both a better ground for the starter and the few electrical pieces of the engine as well.

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You can bench test your own starter using jumper cables a working battery and a screw driver. First take off the starter put it in a vice or stand on it if it works it can move around. on the battery side set up jumpers + to + and - to - put the positive side on the top bolt on the back of your starter the one that goes to the batery. Ground it by hooking up the - to the starter body. take a screw diver to the wire plug that goes to your ingnition and the battery it should pop click and turn on.

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Posted: Tue Dec 23, 2008 11:04 PM
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Every once in a while (usually when I'm going to try and start it after sitting a month or so) mine just does nothing when turning the key, but I've found that if I just jump the wires with a screwdriver to engage it, I can use the key from then on, at least until the next time it sits forever. I've disasembled the starter before and cleaned it (there was a ton of sand in it) but I should get new one someday if I'm going to use it regularly.

On another bug I had, I had a lot of problems with the starter working fine when cold, but hot it wouldn't turn the engine over fast enough to start. Ended up being a bad starter which I think was caused by excessive friction from having all the rings shot and scoring up the piston/jugs. I used that engine as a core for the one I have now.

Edit to add: MAKE SURE IT'S IN NEUTRAL!


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Try the hammer, I bet on it that that's it.

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yeah, i ended up taking it to auto zone and buying a new one the other night.

how is it when you take it apart and rebuild it? worth the time and money?


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It is if you don't need a armature or the windings, but if its the brushes or the soleniod and bendex then yes, Alot of times if the starter doesen't even click then its the solenoid, check the crank signal to see if its going thru the neutral safety swich if you have one, make sure your getting a postive crank signal on the crank wire from the ignition swich, or button. If clicks, but the motor doesen't run it can be three things, #1 solenoid. On the bottom of the soleniod the motor power wire hooks up there, get a test light and when you go to crank it make sure you have power comming out of it going to the motor. #2 Or the brushes have worn down and one of the brushes has lifted off the armature commutatior and the motor won't run. #3 or one of the brushes is stuck and not contacting, sometimes tapping it with a hammer will loosen a stuck brush and it will crank then. if it doesent click at all and you have power, then the bendex drive piston in the soleniod has rusted stuck, tapping it will free it up so it will move again and start. and of coarse don't forget to check the grounds to the frame and engine block. Make sure you have 2 grounds 1 to the engine block and anouther one to the frame. If you dont have a good ground to the frame, it can pitt the CV joint jornals or ujoints and pitt the gears in the transmission if you have rubber engine mounts electricly seeking a ground thru them when lighting or outher body grounded loads are turned on. And lastly make sure you have a big enough wire from the battery to pos+ and from batt- I would use at least 1 ougt wire for bouth. the stock vw uses a group 42 battery 480 cca and you can get a group 24 750 cca battery but it is longer and may not fitt if you have a stock battery box.
I have seen what bad grounds do to ujoints and trans gears, eats them right up! The more lights and crap you have on, the worse it gets


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just change the whole starter and save yourself alot of pain.......


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make sure you put in a realy, not hard put your key flips the realy next to the starter. You can also run a bigger wire to so less voltage drop to the silonoid.


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