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Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2008 11:58 PM
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so ive been having alot of trouble getting my shifter to work properly in my 68 baja bug. the car came with an old hurst trigger shifter that had the bolt slots shaved out on the sides to adjust the shifter to the side more i guess. so i got a new empi trigger shifter, which i cant even get close to working. so i got a stock shifter. with the stock shifter, for 1st you have to go over to the right a little and up to get into gear, 2nd is reverse, and 3rd and 4th work fine. other times first and 3rd wont work but reverse and 4th will Rolling Eyes . i have gotten the old hurst to go through all the gears, but it was tricky. i was thinking that the shift rod its self might be bent too much or is just not long enough.

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The guys at my local VW/buggy shop told me a "slight" bow in the rod is ok. I've found out by experience that correct placement of the mounting (base?) plate - with stock shifters - is critical. If yours has been messed around with a lot, you might save your self a lot of headaches by getting a pro's opinion. Oh yeah, check the condition of that plastic bushing in the tunnel a few inches behind the shifter too.


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I second that. Check that plastic bushing and where it snaps in. Make sure the mount and bushing are still there and not broken off or cracked.


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my buddy has an auto stick and we have had the same problem it stays in third or l2. if that coupling is not broke or cracked. then you really need to play with the shift base plate that being tweaked just a little will make that shifter not work. now if none of that works i would check out your shift coupling which is located under the rear seat. under a plate that unscrews check the rubber bushings for free play it will have a little because it is rubber then check for broken pieces of that coupling. if it still dosnt work you are going to have to pull the front nose cone off the tranny and check the hockey stick. anyone have anything else to add please do.


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Does a '68 have the shift coupling bushing under the back seat? Those can cause a lot of grief if they're bad (sorry- all my VW's have been '65 or earlier, so I may be off on this one).


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az thats a good question i believe it is on my 70 it is. i am not to sure how much they have changed in 2 years.


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az the coupling that on later models its shaped like a horeshoe that has rubber bushings on each side that whole assembly then connects to the tranny shift rod selecter. and it is under the inspection cover under the back seat its really hard to describe the part go on to chirco.com and type this number into the search box on the left hand side CPR711108


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That is the one I was referring to- it says '65 and later. That thing can take a LOT of slop out of your shift linkage. I had a '65 sedan that kept grinding toward reverse when I was looking for second, plus the shifter would move side to side like 3 inches when the car was in gear. I looked under the seat and that coupler was TOAST! The urethane piece was GONE on one side, etc. After replacing it, it felt like I was driving a brand new car practically! Unreal.


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yea that is what happen with mine to


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Take out the shifter grab the shift rod with needle nose Visegrips or some baling wire. If you can lift it up and down about 1/4" you have a bad shift rod bushing. Replace the rear coupler bushing under the rear seat with the Sway Away red urethane pieces. I have seen bent shift input selector rod in the transaxle nose cone. Worn nose cone bushings are a possibility but it is also rare like the bent hockey stick. I'm partial to GB and Scat shifters since they always work out of the box vs an Empi which usually does not work out of the box. I have had good luck with the Hurst shifter but it was fairly new. Scat sell a weld in rear section of the shifter rod that is adjustable but the shifter ,rod and coupler bushing must be ok for it to work. I could check it out and get it going for you if you were nearby. If the shifter worked fine in the past, I would suspected the two bushings.

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thanks guys! but i had just recently replaced the bushing near the shifter, and the coupler in the back. its the horse shoe shaped 1. BUT... the coupler is already broken and is screwed up(bad quality). so i will try the urethane 1.
and i also ran into another problem... when i try to come out of first gear i really have to punch the gas or else it will stall. as soon as i start letting off on the clutch, it basically stalls. could the clutch be mis adjusted? i've driven stock bugs, this is WAY harder to drive. it wouldn't make it up a hill from a dead stop. i am pushing big tires on it, but i don't think it would be this hard.

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Big tires should only make it sluggish.

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yea, thats what i thought. i replaced the clutch, pressure plate, and TOB when i put the new engine in it soo the clutch is new.

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could a sloppy coupler make it do what its doing tho?

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Yes put the red Sway Away ones in it.

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Neander, how big is your new engine and how big are your tires? Assuming the engine is properly tuned, you need a decent ring & pinion ratio to turn big tires with any kind of reasonable performance. I found a chart sourced from Kennedy Engineered Products that lists all tranny & differential gear ratios for various trannys. If you have the original transaxle, and ring & pinion set in that car, you probably have a 4.125:1 ring & pinion. You can verify which trans you have by a code stamped on the passenger side (on a flat spot at about 8 o'clock, as viewed from the front of the case), ahead of the axle. For '68 it should start with AH. My guess is if you're running anything over 30" tires with a stock 1600cc engine, your performance isn't going to be very good. You can run some calculations to figure out if your tires are a reasonable size. The formula goes: RPM x 1/2 tire diameter, divided by, gear ratio x ring & pinion ratio x 168. Assuming you have a totally stock AH code tranny (3.80 1st gear, 4.125:1 R&P) and 30" tires, you should get about 28 MPH @ 5000 RPM in 1st gear. If your running 33" or bigger, it's gonna be a dog.


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the engine that i put in it is a 1641cc, and im pretty sure the tranny is stock. the cars been a mystery ever since i got it. the guy didnt know anything about it like what mods have been done to it. the tires on the back are 30x10 inches.

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Check that transaxle code. If it starts with AH, it shouild have a 4.125:1 ring & pinion. With 30" tires, seems it should be ok. I'd look for problems with the engine, maybe start with intake or cylinder/head leaks.


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so basicly its just not getting enough power n torque to get the car moving at a lower rpm? o and im running a w100 cam with a stock carb...borderline cam/carb combo i know but that was all i had haha. it is an AH transaxle. i also noticed that when i manually crank the engine over by hand, you can hear a slight hissing sound, which would suggest a compression leak right? Confused

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This reminds me of 21 years ago when someone said I should get a Baja instead of my 250R.

Grab a beer or a soda and let me give you an idea of what you are in for when the VW bug bites. Heres some of what happened to me. I'm sure others have suffered a similar fate.
Congratulations you have just entered the evil VW BAJA vortex was what they should of told me. The 100 cam would work fine if you put 235 75 tires on the rear.The cheapest fun I ever had off road was with a stock engined Baja and 235/70 15 tires. It went 85% of the places a race one can just a little slower. I started down the Vortex by purchasing a 68 auto stick street Baja for $200 that everything worked. The same day the 4 speed conversion started. The suspension got raised to the stops and KC lights were mounted on the cowl. In a hurry to go off roading I did not wait to fabricate a skid plate. My reward was to get a sump stud pulled out. I fixed the stud. I installed the seat belt portion of a set of 5 points. Coming to a stop in a sand wash demonstrated the need for tires wider than 235/70 15. Tired of stopping on hard ground, 30x10.50 15 BFG All Terrains were installed on a set of used Jackmans some on had traded for stock rims. I should have asked why. Next trip sand starts were no problem but third and fourth gear were now worthless. An 1835 was assembled with a 4062 Bug Pac cam. dual 40 Dells, better heads. Now 1,2,3 were working good off road. The stock suspension limited 4th gears use. Someone also gave me their copy of Baja's and Buggies and I verified what I learned: dual carbs are not the first choice for off roading. An hour into the fun an axle was spit out. An 80 mile round trip to the shop supplied two axles. Both of which were needed. Fortunately the Bugorama was in town the next week. I procured a set of 280Z axles with modified flanges and axles for only $40.00. I already had the 3 rib BUS IRS transaxle hanging around. I made my own mounts. Next trip I'm smiling ear to ear for a while. Now the front tires became consumables. While at AZ Transaxle picking up the close ratio transaxle for my newly acquired rail Bill sold me a set of 7.00 15 Yokahamas. Then I lucked out and met Mark Magruder from Team McDonalds. Hhe gave me a new Zenith carb, a VZ 25 style cam and introduced me to Dean Lowry who supplied a set of heads for a 2180. It was installed in my rail and I knew what the Baja needed. Short on cash a 1835 with a Zenith carb, 041 heads and a VZ 15 style cam were installed. I wanted more suspension but with two rails, the Baja, a new rat rod drag bug and a dragster on the way funding was short. The Baja perform faithfully for three years until the desert struck back. The Baja rolled at Sycamore. The big seats belts worked. Scott and I were hanging up side down. He asked me if I was ok. I said lets get out and see if we can roll it over and drive out. Like dummies both of us undo the belts forgetting gravity. Battery acid was dripping. I thought I should have installed a battery box. The body was tweaked, widows intact and the roof rack crushed but it looked drivable. Flipping it was the problem as it was laying across a ravine not much wider than the Baja. We spun it on the roof and flipped it over. This was Saturday and I had previous plans to go back to Sycamore with Mark Sunday. By now my future wife was not amused by our style of riding. I was lucky other than the body it was ok. After a hard Sunday the roof rack broke five miles from the truck. It would have been ok except it cracked the Mesa cooler. I bypassed the cooler but was to low on oil. Eventually a forestry truck stopped and a couple of quarts later I was homeward bound. I bought a prerunner for its cage and another bug for the body. Dan at CE supplied a set of used 10x1 Jack Woods trailing arms, disc brakes, 930 CVs and SAW axles. A trip to Woods Wheel Works for a few more parts resulted in a 10x12 wider rear end. Mark and I extended the front beam. By 1994 drag racing had consumed most all the budget. The insanity of the next step in drag racing(Buying Folts and Schultzs old dragster for 35K) ipromted that phases to end. Reality was setting in. So with the arrival of a new Baby and other distractions the Baja was put to pasture where sadly it remains. Resurrection is not scheduled for at least two years. The rails are still running so I am still deep inside the Vortex. It not to bad once your in. Enjoy your trip.

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id say you could write a book haha. yea im starting to feel the "fix 1 thing, another thing breaks" evil baja vortex deal. but im sure ive got a whole lot more in store for me.

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