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Post Post subject: AZ350X suspension/brake upgrade- call it DONE
Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 06:11 PM
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It's time (finally). I'm headed out to the garage right now to start tearing the front and rear end apart.

FRONT MODS-
Warrior +6 beam
"Tweed" 2 1/4 x 1 chromoly front trailing arms
SACO billet front hubs with cross-drilled rotors
SACO rack and pinion steering
Wilwood 2-puck calipers
Pro-comp 10" (or 12") shocks with external reservoirs

REAR MODS-
Chenowth chromoly tubular 3x3 arms (with fresh hammered silver powdercoat) Wink
SACO billet rear hubs with crossdrilled rotors
Wilwood 4-puck calipers
Pro-comp 10" (or 12") shocks with external reservoirs

I have a proportioning valve and Jamar linelock to install as well...

Will have to work out which shocks are going where when I get things going a little bit. Probably going to require some cage re-work and inner fender mods to get the upper shock mounts set up right...

The current configuration is-
FRONT:
stock-width cut and turned LP beam
stock arms
drum brakes (not hooked up- left front doesn't even have a backing plate)

REAR:
boxed-style heavy duty (thick) 3x3 arms
930 CVs
bus KYB shocks
aftermarket 4-lug disc brakes with wide-5 adapter plates

Gonna be a project, but I can't wait until it's DONE!!!

I'll try and take pics along the way.


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Yes, photos - I will be doing the 6" over beam too.

I'm sorry again about the Chirco pickup...

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I'm sorry again about the Chirco pickup...

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Hey man- it's all good. Like they say- "defecation occurs" Laughing


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So you'll have it done by next weekend? Wink
Gonna be a mean machine! (well, moreso than it is now!)
Any plans for the old 3x3 arms and rear discs? Cool


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So you'll have it done by next weekend? Wink
I wish! I'm hoping a month, but there's gonna be some cage re-working and such that's beyond my capability that I'm sure will slow me down some!
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Gonna be a mean machine! (well, moreso than it is now!)
I hope so... Cool

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Any plans for the old 3x3 arms and rear discs? Cool

Umm- they're gonna be for sale as soon as they're off the car. I know a couple guys are interested, but in all honesty, I gotta try and get top dollar for them or the CFO's gonna fire me. Laughing

I'll have an ad up for them as soon as I can, with pics and price.


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Are you going with coilovers on the rear or staying with torsions? Is there a rule of thumb for 3x3's for using coilovers vs torsions?
It's Ok about the $$ on the old parts. I have so much to do now on mine (that I'm not doing... Embarassed ) that I had better get it running again first! Laughing


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I'm staying torsion- you can do either with 3x3's. I've got some Pro-Comp bypass shocks with reservoirs that I'm going to run. Some people even switch to coilovers AND still run torsion bars, with no preload. So, there's a lot of different ways to skin this cat. Laughing


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what tortion bars are u running with your 3x3's

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what tortion bars are u running with your 3x3's

28mm LONG Sway-A-Ways (aka "SAW").


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I'm running 29mm long in my baja with 3x3 arms. you need to goto the sway away sight it has real good info on spring rates etc.


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Sooo, here's an update on my progress: NOT MUCH. Laughing

I've got the front end mostly disassembled. Next step is to separate and remove the tie rods, then remove the spindles, and at that point the beam is pretty much ready to come off. I'm running into a couple minor issues like my caliper mounting brackets- the mounting holes for the bracket don't quite line up with the three holes in the spindle (where backing plate was mounted), so I'll have to see about getting the right ones for that. Also, some wheel bearing size issues with my spindles. I asked the seller I bought my SACO setup from if they could be used with stock VW spindles, to which he replied YES, no problem. Well, I've found a problem or two! Crying or Very sad I'm sure they're problems that can be easily resolved though, we'll just have to see how much it costs me to solve them!

We'll see how things go here...


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Is the setup you have for BJ disks? Cause your running L/P now right?


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Is the setup you have for BJ disks? Cause your running L/P now right?

No, I don't think so. Came off of a rail that was almost a pre-runner. I'm sure there was no way it coulda been a BJ beam- the thing was SICK.

Yes, my car is LP.


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But if it came off a combo spindle then it would be a BJ setup, it is smaller then the one you have right?


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But if it came off a combo spindle then it would be a BJ setup, it is smaller then the one you have right?

I'm not gettin' what you're asking. The pattern for the three mounting screws on the caliper bracket is a larger pattern than on my stock linkpin spindle. They're close, but the pattern on the spindle is smaller.

Maybe what we've got going here is a misunderstanding of what the "combo" in combo spindle really means. Confused


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PROJECT UPDATE- well, we started tearing into it some more today.

REAR-
Removed the axles, stubs, and one of the old 3x3 arms. Have a boogered-up bolt on the right side that prevented us from getting the right arm all the way off the car. Gonna take the sawzall to that bolt tomorrow so we can get it off. Got the pivot bushing situation figured out- no problem. Just reusing what I had- they fit perfectly.



Have a little springplate-fit issue, but think we have a plan for that. Gonna clean up the old 3x3s tomorrow and get them listed on a couple sites.

FRONT-
Removed the wheels, drums, shocks, spindles, and then the beam. Today, pulled the fuel tank off so I can clean up the front end some while it's apart. I want to put some herculiner on the front end and a couple of other small projects.




Here's my Warrior beam with my new 2 1/4 x 1 trailing arms. I'm thinking about having the beam powdercoated, but can't decide on the color. My buddy wants me to do it hammered silver to match the bumpers, sidebars, and rear trailing arms. I was just thinking gloss black. Any input???



Last, for now, here's a pic of one of my front tires with one of the SACO hubs on it. I was just curious if it fit right and how it was gonna look. Pretty cool, I think.



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Man this thing is gonna look great... Laughing

It's a lot of work! work out

but gonna be totally worth it... How much are you looking for the 3x3s?

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Herculiner:

saw that name on the internet... do you use it? have you used it?


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Man this thing is gonna look great... Laughing

It's a lot of work! work out

but gonna be totally worth it... How much are you looking for the 3x3s?

$500 for the 3x3's and disc brakes (rotors, calipers). The arms are powdercoated, and boxed construction. Appear to be thicker wall than others you see around. Also, a little wider at the end by the CV, as my 930 CVs fit with more clearance around them than most. I'm a WEE BIT negotiable on the price, but not much. I intended to have them on TOS and CL by now, but haven't gotten it done yet. The nice thing is that they're all tabbed up already for these calipers, etc. so it's a bolt-on mod.

Oh- and the bearing carriers come with, but no stubaxles.

Yeah- I can't WAIT to get it done!


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saw that name on the internet... do you use it? have you used it?

any good?

It does pretty well for a DIY product. I put it inside my car- heater channels and the tunnel. Looks kinda cool. I bought it at Checker.


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Cool. You use it for your floor VS having carpet???

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Cool. You use it for your floor VS having carpet???

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Cool. You use it for your floor VS having carpet???

My floor is polished diamond plate- no carpet (I have to wear earplugs when I drive it!). The tunnel and heater channels were visible, so I brushed it on there. I also did my rear cargo area with it. It's hard to clean when dusty though without just hosing it off.


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Sorry to get this topic off-topic:

but that was my concern with it.. Does it make cleaning a baja easier or harder after a day of dust dirt and grime?

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UPDATE- Took the beam over to Bajawarrior's this afternoon and he welded the mounting brackets on for me. Tomorrow, before I leave town, the beam and Tweed arms go to the powdercoater. The beam is going to be hammered-silver like my rear arms and all my bumpers, and the front trailing arms will be gloss black. I pulled the spring packs out and the adjusters, so it's ready to go.

Next week's plans- Herculiner the front end, finish assembling the rear arms and brakes and hopefully get the rear end back on it's wheels on the ground. Then, the front end project REALLY begins!


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Picked up the beam from the powdercoater today. Bajawarrior is due over on Sunday afternoon with his cutter and welder and ZIP!- off goes the frame head!

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Here's the frame head-



We've also got to extend the front cage, steering column and modify the front bumper (hood pins) to make it all work with the extended length.


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where did you get the rear arms??


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where did you get the rear arms??

I bought them used from the guy I bought my SACO hubs and Wilwood brakes from. Since they were already tabbed for the rear calipers, I decided to buy them and make it "bolt on". I'm told they're Chenowth chromoly 3x3s, and I had them powdercoated a couple weeks ago- same place that did the beam.


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you had a bj beam before ? so are you going coilover $?


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you had a bj beam before ? so are you going coilover $?

No, it was already LP. Scott suggested buying a new frame head for the additional length I'll get from it to make up the 2.25" reduction in wheelbase from the longer front trailing arms. That way my front end don't look skwooshed.


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UPDATE- Well, today Scott (Bajawarrior) came over with his welder, and we whacked the framehead off of my car. EEEK! We trimmed and measured, measured and trimmed, and tacked the new one in place. Went to hang the beam for some more measuring to make sure it's ready to weld, and doggonit if the beam won't mount up right cuz the threaded inserts in the frame head are crooked. Can't get the bolts started to get it in place. Gonna have to figure something out. Talked to Chirco about it, and their suggestion was to drill out the threads, and run longer bolts all the way through the frame head with nuts welded on the back end AFTER it's tightened up and trued. Not 100% wild about that idea, but not looking forward to trying this all with another aftermarket frame head either.

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Is the frame head been tweaked or why is it crooked?


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Is the frame head been tweaked or why is it crooked?

It appears that the main problem is the threaded inserts for the four bolts are not installed straight. And, sincer they're more than an inch long and welded in place at both the front end AND the back end of the head, it's impossible to realign them. I just came in from messing with it some more, and now it appears to me that in addition to the holes being crooked, it seems to me like they're not the proper width apart (the two pairs of holes, measured from side to side) either. When Scott welded the brackets to the beam, we had it bolted to an OG frame head at the time, PLUS today when Scott came over, I had the beam bolted to the car on my stock frame head before we cut it off. So, the beam has been bolted to two different OG frame heads with no problem, but now won't bolt to the aftermarket one I've got. *sigh*

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Is the frame head been tweaked or why is it crooked?

It appears that the main problem is the threaded inserts for the four bolts are not installed straight. And, sincer they're more than an inch long and welded in place at both the front end AND the back end of the head, it's impossible to realign them. I just came in from messing with it some more, and now it appears to me that in addition to the holes being crooked, it seems to me like they're not the proper width apart (the two pairs of holes, measured from side to side) either. When Scott welded the brackets to the beam, we had it bolted to an OG frame head at the time, PLUS today when Scott came over, I had the beam bolted to the car on my stock frame head before we cut it off. So, the beam has been bolted to two different OG frame heads with no problem, but now won't bolt to the aftermarket one I've got. *sigh*

Nothing can be EASY you know...


That says it all. I was thinking how did the frame head get tweaked if it has been used before, because it had not and some 12 year old Chinese kid made it.


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Post Post subject: Re: AZ350X suspension/brake upgrade-Beam is back on!
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Ok, so here's the latest. After trying TWO Brazilian frame heads, we decided that they both sucked and not to use them. The bolt alignment on the replacement one Chirco sent me was definitely better than the first, but still not that great. So, before butchering the second one, we decided to just surgically reattach the OG head with a 1/8" thick extension. This pic shows the welding only PART way done- it ended up having a plate across the bottom and being completely boxed, with complete welds on the outside, and more on the inside of it.


So, here it is with the beam attached. There's still some work to do on the "floor" of the pan (filling in those gaps, etc.), but this is where it's at currently.


I wanted to get the front clip attached so I could see if my shock towers were going to hit the body, but alas, it looks like I'll be fine.


Here's a front view, with the front end installed. Front end is a little crookedly trimmed, but Scott measured and measured and measured from every conceivable angle to make sure the beam is square with the pan.


So, now it sits on hold again, as I leave on business Monday for two weeks. My next project is to drill and tap the bronze kingpin bushings for grease zerks, then I'll press the bushings into the combo spindles and start assembling the front end some. The plan right now is to get together with Scott again when I'm back in town and finish the extension mod- steering column, bumper modification, and cage supports (upper and lower beam).


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Post Post subject: Re: AZ350X suspension/brake upgrade-Beam is back on!
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Looks awesome!!! I was wondering if you were able to resolve the frame head issue. Looks like you did..... VERY WELL!!!


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Looking good, the right decision to use the original frame head. Just a suggestion drill and tap your grease fittings on the back of the beam, little more protection from the elements and objects. Doing good though, hurry up and get back so we can see more.



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Just a suggestion drill and tap your grease fittings on the back of the beam, little more protection from the elements and objects.

I've been going round and round with how/where/why/why not to do this. My biggest concern is getting the grease through the beam and through the poly bushing to the arm, without the zerk protruding to the point of rubbing the arm. Suggestions?


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I took the arm out, drilled a small hole all the way through both tube and bushing then drilled larger hole in tubing (barely into bushing) and tapped for the grease fitting. The threads on the grease fitting barely protruded past the tubing. Been good for awhile now, have scraped the tubing but because the fittings are behind not a worry. You ever tried getting tree bark out of the hole of a grease fitting? that is why I changed it. Phone call away if you need help, one of these days will be able to come over and help.


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I would just change the fitting... Then skid plate it Smile


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Really nice job! I can't wait to see it all back together again. I keep thinking I need to move mine forward, but I just can't stand the thought of being without it for that long. I know it's going to be a fairly big project.

It'll happen some day, for sure. I should have done it when I did my LP conversion, but the thought never even crossed my mind.


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UPDATE- It's been awhile since I've posted on here, but then again progress was slow/non-existent for awhile too. Scott made it back over yesterday. We got the upper beam braces (go through firewall and slip onto my cage under the dash), and also lower beam braces all fabbed up. Came to the realization that with the Warrior beam, the OG steering box was NOT gonna work. Found a used rack and pinion box on Craigslist yesterday with a little help from Daryll, so I flew across town tonight (hadn't had the Wichita spam-can out of the hangar for ahwile!) and picked up the rack and pinion.

Here's a pic-


Sooo, now we have to get u-joints (x2) for the center steering mechanism, make up the tie rods, and that should be about it for the fab work that requires Scott's help. Then, I've got to powdercoat/install the lower beam supports, paint/install the upper beam supports, assemble the trailing arms, install the spindles and plumb the brakes (front and rear). The rear shock mounts need redone (upper), and the shock mount location on the "new" 3x3 rear arms is going to necessitate reworking the fenderwell cutouts for the shocks to pass through. Time to start watching ebay for a good deal on a wetsuit!

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Very Nice... Keep at it....
Also the pictuers and the good & bad of your build helps everyone....

Don't forget the problems (and fix) Baja57 had with his Warrior Beam...


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Very Nice... Keep at it....
Also the pictuers and the good & bad of your build helps everyone....

Don't forget the problems (and fix) Baja57 had with his Warrior Beam...

Will do.

Are you talking about his bent shock towers? I think that's mainly attributable to the fact that he's running coilovers, so ALL the weight of the car is absorbed by the shocks, and consequently the shock towers (upper shock mount, specifically). On a torsion/bypass shock setup like I have, the weight of the car is still being absorbed down in the beam, so I don't think I'm likely to experience that sort of problem.


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I got ya...

I didn't realize that with coilovers that the towers took all the weight...

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I got ya...

I didn't realize that with coilovers that the towers took all the weight...

Thanks for the info....

Yep, with no more torsion leaves in the beam (or torsion housing in the case of the rear), your shock setup has to be BEEEEEEFY, since your beam and housing just become mere pivot points for the suspension.


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Oh yeah- some people take the preload out of their torsions, leave them in the car, and run coilover shocks. Sort of a "hybrid" setup. That would lessen some of the stresses on your shock mounts.


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Welllll, Scott's been makin' some progress on the car lately, and I've been bad and not posting any pics. But, now my wife is watching "America's Got Talent", so I can justify being on the pooter instead of the alternative, which would be slitting my wrists. Razz

So, the SACO rack mount is fabbed up and installed. I need another one of those gold-plated (apparently, judging from the price!) rubber boots. The steering linkage is the current project, and since now the steering is center-mounted, we chopped up the steering column. I'm getting close to assembling the front spindles, hanging the calipers, and then starting the task of plumbing the brakes. I think I'm going to go ahead and install turning brakes now while the plumbing is being re-done, as it seems to make the most sense. An electric linelock is what I'm planning on buying/installing for a parking brake, since I haven't heard anything good about the mechanical 'parking brakes', I'm going to do something different (even though I already HAVE one of the mechanical Jamar ones).

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Very Happy ol scottie does some great work huh!! Cool looks good!!


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Wihe pan extension not cut, will you have bump steer?


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Wihe pan extension not cut, will you have bump steer?

I'm afraid I don't understand the question. Confused


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...I think what he is trying to say is that the rack is mounted pretty high to clear the pan. I also noticed it's not angled forward, either. You might cycle through your suspension travel with your wheels on and tie rods, etc. (no shocks or springs) and make sure you don't have bump steer while you're already in it this deep. It's a bit of a concern of mine, too, as I look at it. As the suspension comes upward from full droop, it appears that the tie rods may force your wheels to point inward (pigeon toed). If this happens on one side, like hitting a rock, rut, or bump when you're going fast, it may make for a wild ride to say the least.

Hopefully you take this as constructive criticism. I just want you to make sure it all cycles through properly and safely before you get the whole car together.

Looks like good progress. I like your idea of coming off the cage to strengthen the mount.


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Post Post subject: Re: AZ350X suspension/brake upgrade-9/23 UPDATE
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Yeah, what he said. Wink
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I've been looking at other peoples rack & pinion installations cause mine will need to get replaced soon. If yours will work then I will save a bunch of cutting and welding. Looking very slick!

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...I think what he is trying to say is that the rack is mounted pretty high to clear the pan. I also noticed it's not angled forward, either. You might cycle through your suspension travel with your wheels on and tie rods, etc. (no shocks or springs) and make sure you don't have bump steer while you're already in it this deep. It's a bit of a concern of mine, too, as I look at it. As the suspension comes upward from full droop, it appears that the tie rods may force your wheels to point inward (pigeon toed). If this happens on one side, like hitting a rock, rut, or bump when you're going fast, it may make for a wild ride to say the least.

Hopefully you take this as constructive criticism. I just want you to make sure it all cycles through properly and safely before you get the whole car together.

Looks like good progress. I like your idea of coming off the cage to strengthen the mount.


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I see what you're saying. What you can't see in the pics I posted is that the carrier on the rack (that the tierods attach to) extends wayyyyy down below the body of the rack itself, so the tie rods will actually be much lower than the rack itself. In fact, I'm going to have to dent the tunnel ever-so-slightly right at the curve from top to side, because at full steering deflection, the carrier just barely touches the tunnel/head/whatever you wanna call it.

Does that make sense? Does that change your analysis?

As for 57's point, I'll mention it to Scott- he's the engineer/fabricator/experience guru on this project. I'm getting pretty close to mastering the art of standing around looking stupid while he cuts/welds, etc. How would we be able to spot bumpsteer while cycling the suspension?

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You want you tie rods to run a close to horizontal as you can/paralel to the ground.

The longer your Tie rods the less bump steer you will get also you can take into account that VW Trailing arms travel in an ARC along the center line of the car. so the closer you get the inner tie rod to the center of that ARC/Cricle the better you are, for less bump steer (Center of the arc is about in the middel of your front torshion tubes).

"A" arms move up and down in an ARC 90' to the center line of the car as VW trailing arms move in a arc along the center line of the car.

So setting the 2 types of supension is not the same...


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I see what you're saying. What you can't see in the pics I posted is that the carrier on the rack (that the tierods attach to) extends wayyyyy down below the body of the rack itself, so the tie rods will actually be much lower than the rack itself. In fact, I'm going to have to dent the tunnel ever-so-slightly right at the curve from top to side, because at full steering deflection, the carrier just barely touches the tunnel/head/whatever you wanna call it.

Does that make sense? Does that change your analysis?

As for 57's point, I'll mention it to Scott- he's the engineer/fabricator/experience guru on this project. I'm getting pretty close to mastering the art of standing around looking stupid while he cuts/welds, etc. How would we be able to spot bumpsteer while cycling the suspension?

Thanks for the feedback.

With the suspension free to move up and down (shocks/torrsion removed) lower the front beam down, measure the distance between the front wheels or two treads any reference point, once you have that measurement jack up the beam measuring if that distance changes and if it is more the a 1/4 it is to much. Move the steering box/R&P unit till you find the sweet spot. Any problems call me, glad to help.


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So, made a little bit of progress today. Got both spindles on. Right side tie rod is on. I'm still short a left International tie rod end. I figured out yesterday that my "short" shocks that I was planning on using for the front are too long. They're Pro Comps, about 12" travel it appears. Need something with a bit shorter body- I guess I'll be needing a 10" Fox or something like that. Sure hate to spend $200/shock on them though, but that seems to be the going rate. I just missed a set of 2.0 Fox 10" with rezzies on ebay for $125- CRAP! If anyone sees a set of 10" travel shocks for sale, let me know please.

Here's what's left, as far as I can tell.

1) Plumb brakes (may install cutting brakes now while I'm into it all)
2) install calipers and wheels
3) drill/bolt lower beam supports to firewall
4) finish steering linkage/install wheel
5) re-pack CVs and install axles
6) cut off old rear bump stops
7) engineer/install rear upper shock mounts
Cool pull it all apart again for paint/powdercoat

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1) Install firewall battery terminals (for air compressors, winches, jump starting easier, etc.)
2) Install my CB radio
3) Install on-board air compressor (already have) and air tank (need) so I can air up/down easier, and to power the TRAIN HORNS I want to install!!!
4) Set up the mount for my GPS. I got a Garmin Etrex Legend from a coworker the other day for $50. Never been used. Only has 8mb of memory (no card slot), but should still be ok to get me by.

5) TAKE THE THING OUT TO THE DESERT AND HAVE SOME FUN!


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Hey az350,make sure you clock your CV's ,Let me know how you mount your GPS.


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let me know when it can be trailered so i can finish the steering and the rack mount
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That's funny right there! /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\ /\
I guess the number '8' and a ) don't work well side by side!


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Hey az350,make sure you clock your CV's ,Let me know how you mount your GPS.

I wish the GPS would accept an external antenna- with a flat windshield, it's gonna be hard to mount it and give it a good outside view all the time. Maybe I should just cut the roof off so the GPS can see the sky... Laughing


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I let my GPS sit on the seat of the car and it works just fine. It's picks up the GPS satalites from the side, not straight up to calculate were your at. it needs to triangleate on your postion and that hard to do if it above you Smile


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Sooo, yesterday I primed and painted my upper beam supports. I also powdercoated the lower beam supports (they'll fit in my oven- the uppers are too long). Tonight, I powdercoated all the beam clamps. I'm headed out to the garage right now to start putting some herculiner on the front wheelwells and cleaning up the front end before I reassemble it.


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Okay- I got the front end bed-linered tonight with a second coat. I put about four coats on the wheel wells, actually. I did the firewall and the frame head/tunnel extension also. I also taped off the lower part of my rear fenders that were all dinged up from debris from the front wheels and put some on there- looks kinda cool, actually (better than all the dings in the paint from the rocks!).

So, tomorrow I think I'll hang the beam back on there and start final assembly. Hopefully next week it'll get to Bugzyla's lair for brake plumbing, rear upper shock mount fabrication, and steering completion. Then all I'll have left is to snooker mama into letting me order some REAR FOA's... Laughing

I do plan on doing some insulating in the roof, rear package tray, etc. to try and cut down on some interior noise. Also have my CB and GPS to install, and my wiring cover to fabricate. *Sigh*- I guess it'll NEVER be finished!


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So, got a little bit closer to the finish line tonight. Here's a couple pics I snapped.
Here's the front end after bed-linering it.


Here's with the beam back on. Now, the steering box is on, as well as the tie rods.


And here would be my bed-liner rock guards. Laughing


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TWO FEET ON THE FLOOR!- Rear end is assembled, and both back wheels are supporting their own weight! CVs are clocked, greased, and both axles installed. Wow. With any luck, it should roll out of the garage and see the light of day TOMORROW. Won't be driveable for a bit yet, but it'll move from garage queen to trailer queen- a step in the right direction anyway. Tomorrow, I need to find a left International tie rod end, a front wheel seal, and that's about it. I have to shorten a couple of cap screws for the front caliper mounting brackets, then I can install both front wheels.

With any luck, I'll load it tomorrow, and will be taking it to Daryll on Tuesday for a few minor things. Just waiting on my front shocks at that point...

I can't wait to see how it looks out in the driveway tomorrow.


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Do you have or need the seal numbers? What about door handle is that one need replaced? Looks sharp, like the bed-liner use. Heck of a job you are doing, it will definitely be worth the time effort and money.


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Do you have or need the seal numbers? What about door handle is that one need replaced? Looks sharp, like the bed-liner use. Heck of a job you are doing, it will definitely be worth the time effort and money.

Thanks for the props, Leather. I found a number on the one front seal that I have- hopefully finding another one won't be too hard. There's no brand name on it- it says "CR" and "USA" and "545358"- hopefully that will be enough.

The door handle works fine, although I do have another one I swiped from a door I had laying around, I just haven't gotten around to replacing it yet. I've got some sound deadening to do inside the doors at some point, so I'll probably swap the handles then.


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Well, it's back on all four wheels- FINALLY! Hopefully will be trailering it over to Daryll's tomorrow after I get off work. It looks AWESOME sitting in the garage. The front end ground clearance is about 16 inches, and just about 17 at the engine cage. I can't wait to DRIVE IT!









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what size tires are those on the rear?

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looking good,nice ride.....and i like the ford in the background to...of course if its lifted i really dont care if it's a geo metro,just like the lifted look i guess

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what size tires are those on the rear?

33x9.50x15 BFG Mud-Terrains.


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33x9.50x15 BFG Mud-Terrains.

do you know if those will fit on a car with stock arms, and swing axle torsions?

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33x9.50x15 BFG Mud-Terrains.

do you know if those will fit on a car with stock arms, and swing axle torsions?

If those are the short torsions that don't stick out 4-5", I don't know the answer. If you're talking about the long torsions, then definitely not.

Are you talking an IRS car running short swingaxle torsions?


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looking good,nice ride.....and i like the ford in the background to...of course if its lifted i really dont care if it's a geo metro,just like the lifted look i guess

Thanks- we REALLY like that truck. '01 F350 short/crew/PSD with a 6" Donahoe lift, 35's, Bilsteins, and 106 gallons of fuel on board. Shocked

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106 gallons ? holly crap !!!! yea,its a nice truck,i wouldn get rid of it eather...so back to your bug,how much doesyour suspention "squat" in the front once you let it off a jack ?oh yea..what size/brand front tires you running ?

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Are you talking an IRS car running short swingaxle torsions?

Well right now my car is swing axle but I'm going to irs in december. I'm gonna use the torsions I already have in my car.

You think it will work or no? if no on 33s, 31-10.50s should be okay right?

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106 gallons ? holly crap !!!! yea,its a nice truck,i wouldn get rid of it eather...so back to your bug,how much doesyour suspention "squat" in the front once you let it off a jack ?oh yea..what size/brand front tires you running ?

My bad- the rears are 33x10.50x15, and the fronts 30x9.50x15, also BFG Mud-Terrains.

JWH- I believe you can run up to about 31s without any lift or suspension mods AND the long torsions. Fender clearance will be the only issue there, IIRC. If your fenders are somewhat agressively trimmed, you should be ok.

Someone smarter than me may have conflicting info, but I believe that's what I've read online...


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okay. Its not so much the width that bothers me, its diameter.
I have been looking at 33-9.50-15 bfg a/ts for it. but I may just end up w/ 31s because they're easier to come across.
As far as fenders go, mine are almost non existent, just small aluminum ones near the top.

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okay. Its not so much the width that bothers me, its diameter.
I have been looking at 33-9.50-15 bfg a/ts for it. but I may just end up w/ 31s because they're easier to come across.
As far as fenders go, mine are almost non existent, just small aluminum ones near the top.

In my experience you need either 3x3 arms with short swing axle torsions or a 3" body lift to run 33s. You really need a bus IRS with a 4:86 or 5:13 (3 or 5 rib) gear to turn them also.


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okay. Its not so much the width that bothers me, its diameter.
I have been looking at 33-9.50-15 bfg a/ts for it. but I may just end up w/ 31s because they're easier to come across.
As far as fenders go, mine are almost non existent, just small aluminum ones near the top.

In my experience you need either 3x3 arms with short swing axle torsions or a 3" body lift to run 33s. You really need a bus IRS with a 4:86 or 5:13 (3 or 5 rib) gear to turn them also.

eventually it'll get a bus trans, but right now a type I will have to suffice. I also plan on running 3x3s sometime in the future, but stock is gonna have to do for now.

i might end up with 31s, but who knows. i need to sell my truck first, then i'll get new tires for the baja.

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Here's a few pics I took tonight- the car is actually OUT of the garage! It's even on the trailer, headed for BugZyla's Lair manana. I'm gettin' so antsy it's not even funny!











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Thanks! I'm pretty stoked at how it is turning out, for sure. I'm hoping to reach 'cloud 9' status when I can finally DRIVE it again!

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what cloud are you at right now. lol
that thing looks freaking awesome.
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maybe i missed it but, what size are your tweeds arms??

Thanks for the compliments, guys- I'm REALLY proud of the way it's looking, even though I'm not the one that did most of the work (I PAID for it- does that count?).

Dan- I only WISH I only had $3,500 invested in it! If you find something comparable for that kinda dough, you're CRAZY if you don't snatch it!

Vin- the arms are 2 1/2x1 Tweeds, chromoly.

The car is at Daryll's as of yesterday. Having to redo a little of the front cage work, and also having to add a bigger master cylinder for the brakes, as the small CNC reservoir isn't going to be enough to push the whole system. *sigh*

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Tony, saw it at Daryll's yesterday. The detail work on the frt looks great!
The rear arms spring plate mount are a little to the inside? Looks like you had to make a spacer. Looks very nice!


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Tony, saw it at Daryll's yesterday. The detail work on the frt looks great!
The rear arms spring plate mount are a little to the inside? Looks like you had to make a spacer. Looks very nice!

Thanks, Don. Yes, the tabs on the new 3x3s didn't want to fit inside (between) the spring plate pieces (trailing arm travel didn't feel 'natural'), so we decided to cut the spring plate tabs off of a pair of stock IRS trailing arms I had laying around, and just attach the 3x3s to the inboard side of the spring plates. The alignment worked out nicely, and seems like a better option than having the trailing arms constantly moving at an awkward angle (tearing up pivot bushings, etc. in the process).

I'm totally stoked about how the car sits- it's got a real nice stance to it. I think I'll raise the front a little, as it's still got a bit of a nose-low rake, and the torsion adjusters are currently bottomed out anyway. Can't hurt to put some tension on them, and raise the front at the same time.


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Thanks, David. For now, I just want it DRIVEABLE again! I've promised the wife that there'll be no more in-depth mods any time soon! Adding the CB, maybe on-board air and of course the 57baja roof rack project! That's about it though...


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Just paid Bugzyla a visit. Car's looking good, and getting closer to being done. Steering is done, front upper beam supports have been redone, brakes are mostly plumbed, and Shawn is working on the rear upper shock mounts. Hopefully, the new master cylinder will be here anytime so the brakes can be DONE.


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Well, the car is home from Bugzyla's lair. Brakes are DONE! Shawn did a real nice job on the brake plumbing. Tabs welded to the tunnel for line support, etc. Very clean install. I've got a handful of tasks to complete while waiting for the FOA fronts to show up. I emailed them two days ago to get a status update, but haven't heard back yet. Sad

So, in the meantime, I need to-
1- pack the stub and trans flanges with CV grease (forgot to do it when I greased/assembled the CVs- DOH!)
2- lube the front end
3- paint the rear shock hoops inside the car
4- re-install fuel tank and fire it up!
5- bump stops and limiting straps all around
6- take rear shocks and get them charged

I'll have some wetsuit work to do in the rear wheel wells too.

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Items 3 and 4 are done. 1,2,5 and 6 to go.

It was nice hearing it run for the first time in six months. Fired up first try with a shot of starting fluid down both barrels.

Tonight the plan is to disassemble/reassemble/lube the front end. BAP is out of CV grease, so I'll have to hold off a bit on that.

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Tony, did you try to PM Chris on STF? He usually gets prompted on those and will check for you. Mine came right when they said they would, back then it was 3 weeks or so.

I just got an email response today (I sent another inquiry last night) and he said they'd been waiting on some new parts for the piggybacks due to a seal improvement they were making. He kept mine back so they'd be equipped with the improved seal parts, so they should be done/shipped by the end of this week. That's why it's taken a little extra time.


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Well, major bummer today. I figured out I'm gonna need new rear shocks. I serviced up the Pro-Comp/Bilstein/Edelbrock/now nobody knows what brand they are with 200 psi of nitrogen, and the shocks don't seem to work right. Since I can't figure out for sure who made the things, I have no way to try and rebuild them. The biggest bummer about this is the lead time to get new ones built from FOA (not to mention another $4-500). Ouch. Oh well. *sigh* Laughing


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Well, the shocks came this week. Here's one sorta installed. They forgot to include the bushings to bush down the openings to 1/2", so they're sending them out. Probably be next week before I get them though.



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Ummm, no. I'm waiting for front shock bushings from FOA (they forgot to enclose them), and some dude in QC hijacked my seats. Laughing

I have to buy rear shock bushings this week too, and yank the rear arms off and correct the error I made assembling the rear pivot bushings. Aside from that, it's pretty much ready.

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Really.......Who hijacked them, must have been someone really cool. I have are really neat set you can buy and they are already embroidered in your color. All joking aside, got behind I will bring them by tuesday evening when I pick kim up from work. I wanted to get some pics of them with a couple of other sets.

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Well, here's a few pics from this evening. Suspension and brakes are pretty much done (FINALLY!). Got my seats back from ProSeatz this morning- they look AWESOME. Sporting a light blue logo in the headrests and everything! We disassembled/reassembled the rear end today, and got the issues addressed with spacers in the pivot brackets. It was a bit of a workout though. Interior is out right now. I need to cut some carpet pad and carpet for the floor, and then reinstall the interior. I'm trying to figure out a way to do something with carpet and padding in the package tray to cut down the engine/road noise inside the car.

Anyway, there's quite a few minor things left to do, but I'm hoping to at least have it drivable tomorrow. Of course, I have quite a bit of work and personal travelling to do starting Monday through the 4th of January, so I won't be making any Kmart meets or off-road trips for the next few weeks. Crying or Very sad









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With that set up how much travel do you have front and rear?

I'm not ignoring the question, but honestly, I'm not real sure right now. The front I'm guessing in the 10-11" range, maybe slightly less. I'll have to check the axle angles to confirm the rear, which I haven't really done yet. I've yet to do the limiting straps up front, and figure out for sure what I want to do for bumpstops and droop limiting in the rear.

I will say the the front arms with the spindle installed had about 13" of total travel, but it didn't all end up being usable due mainly to shock body length. If the 10" towers were about 2" taller, it'd probably free up a little more travel on the compression side.

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Well, here's a few pics from this evening. Suspension and brakes are pretty much done (FINALLY!).

Pretty much done, good way to say it will never ever be finished but I get to drive it now.

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