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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 08:05 PM
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Why is link pin better than Ball joint?
I know the difference but don't understand why link pin is better.

Thanks for the info on 3x3 arms and such.
I read about it here but never dared to ask what it was Smile

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Link pin is stronger than ball joint, and more versatile for things like improving suspension travel. You can't get much lift/travel out of a ball joint, but with LP, you have many more options. That's the way I understand it anyway.

Chrispy- Are you emissions exempt where you live? If not, I'd rethink getting an IRS car and instead get a '66 or older (that HAS linkpin already) and that way you're exempt from emissions as well. Just a thought. I think the consensus is that it's easier and cheaper to swap from swingaxle to IRS than from ball joint to link pin.

I've got some stock IRS trailing arms available CHEAP, btw. Stub axles are in them. I don't have the axles/CVs any more though. That'd get you converted cheaply and on the road, until the 3x3/930 CV/bus trans bug strikes you, which it will...


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Okay, and is it possible to put the whole IRS, I mean including the torsion bars out of an IRS car to put into a swingarm car? So that no welding is required?
I have swing and want to put IRS thing in next winter.

And Chrispy, I have swing arms raised a bit (I don't know how much, bought it this way) with big wheels. Anyway ot drives terrible. On every bump or turn my rear feels like it is going it's own way. So my advice buy or build IRS.

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No you need to cut the rear to include the torsion bar housing(basically everything behind the shifter coupling hole), or get an irs pan. You could probably find a way but it's much easier to get a pan that already has IRS


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Link pin is stronger than ball joint, and more versatile for things like improving suspension travel. You can't get much lift/travel out of a ball joint, but with LP, you have many more options. That's the way I understand it anyway.

Chrispy- Are you emissions exempt where you live? If not, I'd rethink getting an IRS car and instead get a '66 or older (that HAS linkpin already) and that way you're exempt from emissions as well. Just a thought. I think the consensus is that it's easier and cheaper to swap from swingaxle to IRS than from ball joint to link pin.

I've got some stock IRS trailing arms available CHEAP, btw. Stub axles are in them. I don't have the axles/CVs any more though. That'd get you converted cheaply and on the road, until the 3x3/930 CV/bus trans bug strikes you, which it will...

california is exempt up to 75

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2008 10:19 PM
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Okay, and is it possible to put the whole IRS, I mean including the torsion bars out of an IRS car to put into a swingarm car? So that no welding is required?

You can use trailing arms, torsion bars, spring plates, and spring plate caps off of a donor car, but you will have to weld in the trailing arm pivots.
www.chircoestore.com/c...ts_id=1561
I am sure you can find a local welder to do it for you. It is easier to do w/the body off though.

BTW as far as ball joint vs. king/link pins....in stock form the ball joint is stronger and works well for most people. the aftermarket has huge support for the link pin style.

I think racers who prep their cars can get ~7-8 inches of travel w/ball joint. modified w/stock length trailing arms link pin can get ~8-9 inches. W/aftermarket trailing arms and coilovers you can get 12-14".

Obviously there is some coolness factor w/link pin style and aftermarket arms. But in reality if properly set up and maintained most people probably wouldn't be able to break a ball joint, unless big air is in it's future.


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Thanks.
I have a kübel axl up front. It is pretty high but will this have more travel as well. I don't really go off road much, because there is not much off road here.
The kübel axl is great on the speedbumps we have about two every mile here in my town. I just need the back to be a little more speedbump proof.
It's kinda anoying. My front goes over over okay but the back kinda crashes into the bumps Sad
Anyway, I can get all the stuff from a dealer here and will weld it inthis winter.
Thanks again for the help.

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Thank you!

Calling and hopefully going out to Phoenix to check them out tomorrow!

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Had the engine off of the 71 for a few weeks, finally found time to cut the butt end off. looks fabulous. Smile

installed the new "Baja" exhaust and man, I did NOT expect that much noise... I LOVE IT. :)f

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Thanks chrispy,

if anyone's looking at this thread anymore.

When cutting and turning, i have my torsion tube, basically the front end off my car. Shocks are off, steering box and arms are off, and being replaced with rack and pinion.

When cutting and turning is it absolutely necessary to remove the "leaves" or the springs inside? Can it be done without taking all the crap out?

"Baja bugs and buggies" says that it's possible.

Sounds like an easier approach, would you just take the extra hour and pull everything apart?

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When cutting and turning is it absolutely necessary to remove the "leaves" or the springs inside? Can it be done without taking all the crap out?

"Baja bugs and buggies" says that it's possible.

Sounds like an easier approach, would you just take the extra hour and pull everything apart?

It can be done, but how much heat is being generated when welding? Inside the tube, I imagine it can get hot. Lots of grease inside the beam, could make it interesting. How much heat can spring steel take before losing it "spring" decription?

In other words, I would take it apart and clean it out. (provided I trusted my own welding to do it)


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hahah yeah good point. Smile i'm having one of the senior welders here in the "airpark community" do it for me. Smile

He reccomended i take it all apart, and clean it out. Done did. Smile

Took but 45 minutes, do know why i questioned it....

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