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He ( crash from blind chicken racing) has a Turbo Ford 2.3 I think it rates over 250hp

I just have the plain jane 2.3 in my baja 135hp + give or take


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interesting, what kind of cars can i find one of these engines in? i've heard of a lot of people putting 2.3's in their beetles. i assume it's still street legal but thought i should ask.

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Most any ford that has a 4 banger from 1974-1998 give or take that is rear whell drive will have this engine evan some Mazda Trucks nd the Merkur. it's the Ford 2.3 OHC. Dime a dozen and every place. You have all sorts of parts to pick too like dual plug, fuel injection, Trubo etc.

Trubos can be found in the Merkur XR4Ti, Turbo Mustangs and the Turbo T-birds


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Hey, Bugzylla I was just told that you have a corrall of baja's I'm looking for a nice clean driver. Are any for sale? Todd

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that sounds very nice. is there much fabricating to be done for one of these conversions? would it hook up to a beetle tranny? if so i'd imagine i'd neet a kit to connect the tranny to 2.3, if so do you have a ballpark price?

also, todd you'd probally have more luck in the forum that's specifically for buying and selling under the forum index

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they make trans adaptor plates for almost any engine to mount on a bug trans..


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toyota 22r is a very good engine to put in a baja or rail, low cost and good power with lots of parts. so you dont have to be stuck with a ford.... Evil or Very Mad

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The problem is finding a 22r that doesnt have 150,000 + on it.


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have you heard of something called, " rebuild " ? Wink

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Re- what no I got money to just call up TRD and get one Rolling Eyes . If your goin to put the time and effort might as well be a VW unless your buildin it for racing or somethin.


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theres plenty of companys in phx. that sell rebuilt 22r's long blocks from 800 to 1200 bucks. in the az. republic under parts, i see them in there all the time for cheap... and why must it be vw ? Confused

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my 3.8 supercharged v6 is rated at 215 hp/315 ft/lbs of torque. now im guessing im running 240 hp, downside is that it is HEAVY. but, the engine was free Very Happy

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It doesnt have to be VW, never done any research into any alternatives and didnt know you could nab one that cheap. But you have now sparked an interest into checking it out. Razz and that rig of yours is lookin bad ass Tako. Twisted Evil


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Well... not to start up that age-old debate we had going on over on the old website, but there is alot to be said about the VW design....simplicity, availability, durability, cost, flexability in use.... I am not trying to step on anyones toes, this time... but there are some hardfast reasons why in 2006 a great majority of the community still chooses to rely on a design from the 50's and 60's... No its not perfect, and when enough rednecks squirt enough silicone into them, yea they can get a bad rep. but I have no plan to ever replace my V-Dub boxer-4's for anyt other engnie out there... I believe in building it once the right way, and relying on my own work to get me through anything out there, Here in Ut where the desert and mountains are only approx 30min from my house, I take my baja out at least every other weekend(with exception of this last year that Ive been overhauling the total vehicle slowly) and have never been left stranded...


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Right on! we all kinda forget about the original power sources for the bugs....good ol german engineering! its been proven time and time again that an old fashioned air cooled vw flat 4 will out last and out perform any other engine in the vw. sure you can slam a ford, chevy, subu, or any other engine you want in a bug, but they just aint as hardy as an old fashioned vw air cooled block.










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Who wants to paly tug-o-war?

I'm in!

The biggest lure for most in going with a newer motor is the power for dollar ratio. A wrecking yard motor that is fuel injected and puts out 250hp is a fairly easy find for less than $400. I bought two turbo coupe motors for $100 each. Add to that the fact that the engine puts out that power stock and will last a long time like that. A VW motor that puts out that power will cost a whole lot more and will not last as long. Granted the VW motor will not have to put out as much power to compete as it does not weigh as much but I think it still comes down to project dollars.

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Granted the VW motor will not have to put out as much power to compete as it does not weigh as much Bingo,! head-on-the-nail! a VW engine weighs 1/2 to 1/3 of the typical waterpumper, not including the radiator and all the water circulating...

I think it still comes down to project dollars. Nice point, but your dealing with alot more fabrication which the average joe may not be able to grasp, or may not want to, thus leaving them to pay for a shop in town to do it $$$ Not to mention that you still need to call up Heckar for a $400 adapter... 250hp is a fairly easy find for less than $400 less than $400? you just spent that on the adapter... not to mention that once you add that heavy motor, you'll NEED not just WANT a full tied in cage just to hold that weight... more $$$

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You could look at the point, once you make the step to the full cage etc. and it seems at that time most people convert to somthing other than the VW.

The other plus is once you hang the motor on your cage the odds of breaking nose cones seems to drop.


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The other plus is once you hang the motor on your cage the odds of breaking nose cones seems to drop.

now thats not nice Razz

im just too lazy to bolt the front (nose cone) trans strap in....


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Even at $1000 for a water pumper conversion you are still cheaper than a quality VW build. The carbs for a strong VeeWee are as much or more than the adapter for a water pumper.

The two things I always caution people on is the fabrication involved and the added weight. Either one is easily overcome if you have the skills. I can't argue that bolting on a built aircooled motor is the easiest way to go and for many people that is the way they should go. After comparing build costs and doing almost twenty water-cooled conversions you couldn't convince ME that aircooled are better.

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I have seen lots of conversions, and I have seen alot of jurry-rigged disasters where the builders didn't realize the magnitude of the added weight/power, lots of cages with solid motor mounts that almost line up with the tranny causing disasterous problems. For an experienced builder its no big deal to make the cage and prep the vehicle, but too many home do-it-yourselfers are in adequate! bottom line. I have considered a conversion myself, but the steep price just to get into the conversion and seeing so many disasters with the swich, Ive devoted my time and energy into T-1 and T-4 engines, turbo and N/A. It doesnt cost that much to make plenty of power, I have all the performance I could want from my rides.
The only application I would reccommend a conversion in would be in a race type application, or similar.


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well i found my life's calling a long time ago, it's pissin people off(insert satirical laugh here)! so with that said i'd like to publically announce that i'm devoting my 74 aircooled baja to be converted to a 2.3 monster. i will save enough cash to buy those computerized scales that go under the tires like they use in serious auto racing, and race tune my beetle's suspension to handle the added weight better! of course this is after my car has it's race frame and the mandatory steel balls hanging from the rear bumper. you know, i might even put a Ford emblem on my hood.

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but seriously this battle couldn't be won. one side is arguing relibility and making strong points, but the other side is arguing race and making strong points.
now as far as project dollars go, you get what you pay for. if you rebuild an aircooled engine and want it to last, it'll cost you. how much are you willing to spend is the question you have to ask.
if you look long enough you are bound to come across a non-vw engine real cheap. if you feel confident about fabricating your beetle to accept a non-vw engine, and succeed you have a beetle that is ready to perform.

if your worried about reliablilty, i'm sure you wouldn't risk the transformation, not to mention you more than likely drive with your vw's lifespan on your mind so you wouldn't do anything too extreme with your baja.

on the other hand if you're willing to risk choppin your back-end up, i'm sure you risk those high-speed turns, jumps, and just downright abuse your vehicle every chance you get.

with all this said i must leave you with this:in my opinion dollar for dollar i don't think an aircooled engine could keep up with a non-vw engine.


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with all this said i must leave you with this:in my opinion dollar for dollar i don't think an aircooled engine could keep up with a non-vw engine.


i am guessin that you have never been to the dunes? those rails with 2100+ vw's and turbo blow the pants off the Ls1, Ls2, Northstar, fords, etc Very Happy

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the standard vw from the early days all stock would not keep up with a turtle down hill with out a small mod (exhaust, carbs, ignition, etc)
the vw's they build now are pretty ballsy. you match the vw engine specs to the trans specs to the way you wanna drive and there is a way to get what you want. it may not be a chevy 400, or a 5.slow set up, but you can still roast the wheels and have fun!
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This is true, here in Ut I know 4 racers that still race their bugs with aircooled motors... All4 are under 11.5 seconds.

Ya build it for the application and it just works, its that simple.


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well you guessed right bajafun, i've never spent any time at the dunes, i can't deny you that. but i would like to know ballpark how much cash is involved in building a 2100+ w/turbo vw engine


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you can buy them turn key. basically they just need carb and dog house then slap em in.

are there any vw shops in your location that carry turn key motors?


shippin on that would be pricey....(im guessin)


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look at AJ SIMMS site.

they race bugs. they build motors.

www.lowbugget.com/

www.lowbugget.com/turb..._page.html


look (www.chirco.com)

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wow! those are top dollar. there's one local shop but his prices make me laugh, he also doesn't seem to wanna sell any parts without him installing them. anyways if i were to put that kind of cash into different performance mods for a 2.3 would i be able to keep up with those rails at the dunes?


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you cant go fast in the desert or the dunes without good suspension. which cost more money,$$$$

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I would agree that suspension is more important off-road than an engine. We had a buggy with good suspension and a 1600 VW engine that was faster offroad than a turbo baja with stock-ish suspension. The difference was that I could get up to speed and stay there and they were having to slow down to keep control.

What it comes down to is that if you have to skills and a good plan, you can put whatever engine that you like in there. Any engine can be good or bad and I wouldn't say there is one that is the best. Go with what you like.

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lets say all variables were the same(duplicate rails), only difference being ones rear end(including suspension) was ready for a 2100+ turbo and the other ready for a 2.3.

the prices on those links for a turnkey turbo were around 5,000. if you put that much money in buying a 2.3, the adapter plate, performance mods, and whatever i might be forgetting, which do you guys think would perform better


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$6000 gets you 215HP @ 5500RPM and 252 FtLb torque @ 5000RPM Trun Key Turbo VW

Stock Ford Turbo 2.3 is 190HP and 240 FtLb torque.

I'm push close to 150HP on a carb 2.3 and $200 for the motor (junk Yard), header $200, Intake $200, Addapter Plate $200, Roller cam $200, rebuild kit $350. So I'm into it about $1400, and into the 150hp range, stock HP is 95HP so you can go on the cheap too.

As for being heavy? You never notice it. the car is real smooth off road. It will not come around like hammer as most people think. The car ends up being lighter on the front and will push before the back will ever come unglued. I have had it in the car for 12 years now and it has never failed to start even after the time a broke a piston ring. Just opended it up and dropped a new Slug into the car and was ready to go.

The 2.3 is the 2nd if not the 1st most converted engine next to the chevy 350.

Just somthing to think about too. If you ever talk to any one who has a 2.3 Baja, Rail, 914, Mustang, truck etc. all love this little engine and would more than likly never go back to what came in the car from the factory if not at all. (Well Some people get them stock aka the ford guys)

Now you can do this for a lot less than $6000 ask the chicken man. And did I say stock?

If you would like to buy a race version.

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Now here ya go again... Ya had to keep it going.

Well assuming the identical Setup on each car was suited for the added power and weight. I still dont know where you are getting a $6K motor from... Aircooled.net is one of the most expensive VW shops(I say shop liberally, they are a complete joke around town here, but their parts are quality-just overpriced) that I know of. Their absolutely most expensive kit is for a 2275cc motor that even after adding on all their chromoly add-on's and perfomance parts, your still only at 1144.00. Another $400-$1000 for your heads depending on you ability to do head work, and maybe another $100 for random parts. Another $2400(Again this is on the high side still) for your turbo kit.
So far this $6000 is pretty far away, and this is from the most expensive retail sources I know of.

Now, since your talkin junkyards its only fair I get my chance.

That turbo kit (with the right know-how)can be cut to practically nothing.
A turbo off a rearended honda/hundai/ford/volvo=$60-$65
Tubing to build exhaust= $25
External wastegate (if turbo isn't equiped internally)= $15 (ebay)
Insulated oil lines&fittings=$30
You are paying AJ Simms more for R&D and time than actuall parts.

That motor kit could easily be trimmed as well. Ive know builders that use certain Ford pistons, and certain Ford/Chev H-beam rods. These come in sets of 8 and still cost less than SCAT H-beams and pistons.

Power wise, a 1915 can make over 300hp, I wont try to guess at what our little fantasy 2275cc motor would/could make because of the many thousands of variables that go into that.

The car ends up being lighter on the front and will push before the back will ever come unglued
I don't know the kind of off-road driving you do, but one of the major flaws in baja's is the fact that they already push, your only adding to a problem by adding rear weight.


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I say agree to disagree, good points have been made on both sides. It comes down to personal choice, ability, and most of all budget. Just do what you want to do, build it, drive it like you stole it, and have a good time doin. Twisted Evil


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bajasam96 you can get me a turnkey with all forged parts and chromoly parts for $1144 from a reputable dealer? I want on the list for that price.

I think your prices are really off. a good turbo engine will run you $6000 and it is pertty much a couple season engine. where a stock turbo FI engine will put down just as much powah and last you 10x longer, plus the benifit of not having to do irregular maintenance(valves, retightening heads, tuning). You just don't have to do that on later model FI engines. Then your talking headwork and other PITA work.



You can get turbo engine 4 bangers for $500 MAX, hell my v6 turbo was $200 for the whole car and I parted it out and made $75 after it was said and done. the adapter was $500 and that was with the clutch and pp which you also forgot on your list. another $500 for adaption parts like radiator, hose-pipe, fans, antifreeze, sawzall blades. These parts can be found way cheaper and some I already had laying around. This does take some time to install also but no longer than a homemade turbo kit.

So figure $1500 for a poor boy(me) conversion, which is way cheaper than even a built bug engine with no boost, and way more fun, hp, and reliability, with less hassle.

I am not here to bag on the bug engine, just setting the facts strait, now I seen guys with $4000 sti engines in the back, so you could even go expen$ive if you wanted with a conversion as well, but alot of us baja'ers ane cheap and we just want reliability, and that what you want offroad anyways. why you think they went to typeV in the baja races? more reliability and more powah, well the water pumpers are even better at those two.

bajasam96 I also would like to see the dyno graphs of the 1914 putting down 300hp


I never had one issue with my rotary or never heard of anyone havin probs with rear weight either, unless you have first hand expierence(which I and azbaja and alot of other people have). my N/A rotary engine in mine had NO issues and I was pretty hard core action on the street and some offroad.

bajasam96 I am not tryin to bash you but you seem like a purist, which in the baja world wont work.

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Im far from a purist, I run a GM E-coil ignition on my own baja, Chev power windows. Ford power seat rails. Volvo turbo. Ford pistons... When I build a high hp motor, most of the time I DO use a T4. Im a huge fan of the T4 motors and am building a turbo T4 as we speak for my baja. Bus trans. Vanagon Axles. My baja is the bastard child of many brands.

I have never build a couple season engine In fact the first engines I built (5 years ago) are still used as daily drivers...

I'm really not going to get into a price fight, $1144 is on the low end of regular retail. But who actually pays full regular retail? Some of the best parts out there can regularly be found at some pretty mind blowing prices...

where a stock turbo FI engine will put down just as much powah and last you 10x longer Now now be carefull, I just built a Turbo F/I T-1 engine... Just because its a bug doesnt mean it cant or wont be F/I


bajasam96 I also would like to see the dyno graphs of the 1914 putting down 300hp. As for the turbo motor quoted, It was just buit by kawell and dyno'd and socumented by Hot VW's sometime near the end of last year. Peak HP was at 361 HP. I am not saying that this was a regular or streetable setup, merely testing. There are 2000cc+ engines that pull 400+hp and 400+Tq that are driven on the street. Race engines these days can supply well over 500 hp!

You may not be here to bag on the "old" engine, but you greatly underestimate it! I dont believe in giving up on an idea that is completely realistic. The mentality that "its old so it must be obsolete and be replaced" seems childish at best to me.


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somthing no on ever looks at is cooling and HP. The more HP you make the more heat you will produce. It's simple math. you have 100ci engine that makes 400hp vs a 400ci engine that makes 400hp.

400 hp makes a lot of heat and the smaller engine can not get rid of all that heat as well as the larger engines. Smaller engines have less internal surface area to disipate the heat and external surfaces so once you go to water cool you can increase the external cooling surface area with the radiator. That is why you see alot of of people that have heat problems with High HP engines thay do not take into account the heat all that HP will make and do not figure in the cooling factor.

Things also to look at
400ci engine will make 1hp per ci will give you 400hp
100ci engine will make 4hp per ci will give you 400hp

Thats is a lot of stress on the smaller engine.

Engines are simple air pumps

so you can increase the RPM of the smaller engine to equal the capacity of the larger engein

100ci engine needs to turn at 12000rpm to move the same pump the same amount of air as the 400ci engine at 3000rpm

Now your need to have lighter and stronger internal and external (Valves) parts for that type of RPM and you must not exceed the MAX piston speed. this has nothing to do with RPM but the speed the piston moves. That is why short stroke motors wind better than long stroke motors. The piston can never move faster than the flame front. that is why people go from fuels like diesl to gas to nitro etc. each fuel has a burn rate to keep in mind, how fast will this stuff burn. that is why you never will see a diesl turn at 10000rpm

tos in a turbo or blower for fun this will help add air to the mix. air presure is 14.7psi per sq in at sea level

Altitude Air Pressure
Sea level 14.7 PSI
10,000 feet 10.2 PSI
20,000 feet 6.4 PSI
30,000 feet 4.3 PSI
40,000 feet 2.7 PSI
50,000 feet 1.6 PSI

The strange thing with most boost if not all boost gauges thay will read zero under now boost at 0 feet or 50,000 feet.

So to help our little 100ci engine we ad a turbo that has a boost of 14.7psi now that is 2x times the amount of air if it had 0 boost at sea level.

Now we only need to have 6000 RPM for 100ci engine to move the same amount of air as the 400ci engine at 3000 RPM

I used all basic numbers for this stuff and did not feel like pulling out the books and doing long math.

The key things to look at are

The bigger in size the more HP will Go UP
The More HP will GO up the more heat your engine will make
The more air you flow the more HP you can make

Can O worms just has been opened. It's been years from the time I built my last drag race motor but I can pull out the books and do the math, and I bet/know we have computer programs that do it know of days too. Smile


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This arguement never ceases to amaze me, no one will ever win, but it is one hell of a lot of fun to read, and I learned more about vw's and motor conversions in this thread in the last 15 minutes than in the last 6 months of rooting around on the net.

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It's all about the fun factor. The issues that come into play are:
reliability
drivability
cost
appearance

Every body has their own opinion about what works for them, so here's mine. Very Happy

If you want a modern state of the art, reliable, driveable and affordable power plant the obvious way to go is H2O.

If you are going to pony up for an adapter kit and fab up a car for H2O, why not get the best bang for the buck....V6

There are a lot of all aluminum V6's out there that weigh less than the 2.3 ford and put out more power than the turbo motor. The only drawback is the price however as time goes on these motors will become more affordable. These motors don't have to work as hard to achieve the same work. The peak power is at a lower RPM.

The VW power plant was a good unit in it's day but the writing is on the wall. It's on it's way to becomming obsolete.
I say that based on the number of VW aftermarket advertisers I see dwindling in the magazines.


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I have to side with mark on this one. due to the fact that yes you can build a vw motor to run circles around the sub's and the v8's. The problem is that you loose the reliabilty of the power. Kinda like a cheata they can only run fast for a short time. Ie. vw motor startes to vibrate and inertly looses carb settings, boost, and in most cases blow up. Because someone's had to prove a point that there small balls can do it.

With a 2.3 or other motor you are receiving the power and the torque on a stock motor with out the costly maintace, of the SUPER VW motor. Where the other motor just get in and turn it on every time. Know if you look at the vw motor sand rails there only out there in bursts. where the other motor rails need the gps to get back.

I my self is thinking of a 22re fuel infected turbo. good torque and reliabilaty. Plus how many 22re's are on the road?

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last time i was at buttercup, those v-8 powered rails broke more trans and shafts in minutes vs the vw powered rails.


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I my self is thinking of a 22re fuel infected turbo. good torque and reliabilaty. Plus how many 22re's are on the road? tons, the 22r is almost indestructable... Razz

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will the 22re crank out too much power and break shafts?


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930 CVs and a Bus Trans, your good to go. Not to mention there are almost as pany performance parts available for the 22r as there are for the small block chevy, oh and they are a semi-hemispherical combustion chamber.


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I almost forgot, you can run a 20r head on a 22r and make more HP.


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Wow,

and the saga of air versus water goes on...haha

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Breakage is usually poor engineering or stupidity. A small amount of breakage is simply because it was time. Those that run too much power for their trannies or axles will have as much problems as those with power that try and wheelie all the time. I ran a turbo 2.3 against a stock three rib for three years without much problem. A couple broken CV's when the limit straps broke was about it. What finally gave in were the second gear synchros. We took it apart and it still looks good although I am stepping up to a stronger tranny.

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hey there is a guy here in portland craigs list that has a turbo efi yota 4 banger for $1000 with the wiring and ecu. he siad it is real low mileage rebuild. even a brand new turbo worth $1500. its not mine just thought I would pass it along.

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I notice that this discussion is mostly based on the Ford 2.3. This is a good motor, I don't think many (who know engines) would argue that. I am an performance engine builder and designer for a living, been one for darn near 20 years. Arguing "best engine" with someone is pretty much pointless. Normally, both sides have their mind made up and there will be very little that would change the mind of either side. So if I guy thinks the air-cooled VW is the best thing ever...and he has one...who am I to try and make him unhappy?
However...there are a few things that I personally feel people should NOT do when trying to defend their engine choice, whether it be air or water cooled. One of the biggies is stating negative things about the other without having any real facts to back it up. A statement was made that a water cooled power plant is just too heavy. In many cases... I feel that this is true. With saying that...I do NOT think a generalization should be made that ALL water cooled conversions are too heavy.
Here are a couple of facts to mill over. I have a large digital platform scale, the type a vet uses to weigh horses (accurate to the pound). Now depending on how you dress a type one VW engine, they fall between 210 and 220 pounds, ready to run, pretty light. But, lets do the same thing with a 2.0 Subaru engine. The engine with no radiator, adapter or ECU weights 257 pounds. Now add the radiator...8 pounds, the plumbing..4 pounds (on a rear mount radiator)...2 pounds for the fuel pump...the ecu 1 pound and the adapter plate 11 pounds. Lets not forget the water, a rear rad takes just a little under two gallons, lets call it two for the sake of argument. Water is 8.3 pounds per gallon, so that's 16.6 pounds. Now we are at a total of 299.6 pounds. Lets split the difference on the VW and call it 215 pounds. We now have a difference of 84.6 pounds. The weight of driver and his gear can fluctuate that much...I probably have 80 pounds of weight on an average size guy. So the weight issue is really not a good one to stand on if making a comparison with a Subaru conversion.
If you would like to have some 100% facts (not opinions) on the actual cost of a Subaru conversion, how much power it REALLY puts to the tires (I have a chassis dyno), I can answer those questions.
Again...if you want to make a motor choice by facts and not opinions, I would be more than happy to lay out exactly what it takes as far as time, money and skill level needed to do either air or water. If you just want to talk about which one you personally like better than the other, that's fine too, but don't bash one side with things you THINK may be bad about them. Get real information to back up what you are saying, it goes much further when trying to make someone understand your side of things.

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As with anything, its all in the setup of the car the "big picture". If you have a heavier motor, a set of 3x3 arms will move the weight more towards the center of the axle and make the weight distribution better.

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I still think is doesnt matter what motor you have. If you dont have the suspenion to handle the power, it is usless.


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I still think is doesnt matter what motor you have. If you dont have the suspenion to handle the power, it is usless.

Well....I think everyone agrees with that....(I hope).

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Thanks for the welcome Bugzyla.

Good points Scott, and one I took into consideration when building my own car. I chose to use a GM Ecotec motor, which is extremely light. My biggest concern doing a motor swap was that I wanted a healthy engine that was absolutely turnkey and reliable. Now I know someone could build a VW motor with the power of this Ecotec, but I honestly doubt that one could be put together to run as well or last as long. I also KNOW that a (comparable performance and quality) VW motor could not be put together as inexpensively. I have roughly $3,800-$4,000 into my engine swap, complete. That is including the aluminum radiator, braided lines, AN fittings, high torque starter, fans, computer, wiring, clutch, adapter plate, fuel pump and all the neccisary pieces to put it all together. Everything was done top shelf, nothing was skimped on or just hung together. The biggest obstacle was the installation. Granted, it was a fairly involved task to transplant a liquid cooled motor into a VW platform, at least to the degree I considered acceptable. However, I am sure alot of guys would be happy with something a little more rough around the edges that could be done much quicker and easier, and obviously much cheaper. With that said, I think the biggest concern in choosing a motor is "how you want to go about it". If the fabrication involved in a liquid cooled swap is not a concern, I think there is no better way of adding GOBS of power to your vehicle. Arguing between the performance of an aircooled motor and one of the above mentioned liquid cooled motors is fruitless. Anyone that claims they are comparable is nuts, absolutely frickin nuts! However If the fabrication or the complexity of a conversion scares you a little, adding a healthy aircooled motor is probably the easiest route. I do know a strong running and reliable aircooled motor is easily possible. Its been done, and it's been proven. But for those of you that can do all the conversion work yourself, it is hard to compete with something like the economical 2.3 ford transplant. It is simply more power right out of the box. For those of you that claim you can build a low buck monster-powered turbo VW motor and drive it for years without turning a wrench, I would really like to see one of those in person because that is a bit of a mystery to me.

The bottom line in my book is to run an Aircooled motor if you want simplicity, or run a Water cooled motor if you want reliabilty along with added power. At least that is my take on it.

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welcome scott and shmo, lets just leave the discussion about magnetic flames alone and everybody well be happy... Wink not to stur the pot but i like your photo shop skills and there welcome here... Razz

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has anyone ever considered a mopar 4 banger or a chevy 3.1l v6?


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Mopar 2.2/2.5 = crap (most had cracks between the valve seats within the first 10k miles)........GM 3.1 = crap (blows head gaskets easily)

My top 5 pics if you are going to do a swap (in no particular order)

Toyota 22R
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I have a 2tc bottom end (no head) with a deep sump pan for free if anyone wants it

All have tons of parts available in the aftermarket, and are reasonable weight wise.


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has anyone ever considered a mopar 4 banger or a chevy 3.1l v6?

While not real popular choices, I am sure that they have been used at one time or another for a Baja or rail. The majority of the time, engine conversions are picked on a "bang for the buck" basis. I used a Subaru transplant as an example earlier, so I will stick with that. A twin turbo Subaru 2.0 comes stock with a shot over 250 horsepower. It is not uncommon at ALL for one of them to go 200,000 miles and over. With some looking around, I have bought them for as low as 400 (good deal). They sell everyday on E-bay for 850 plus shipping, price of shipping depends on how close you are to them. cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotor...enameZWDVW

So really, what you end up with is a stock engine, that has at a minimum 100,000 miles left in it, only weighs slightly more than a VW and has over 250 hp. If you are good at finding deals and are patient, you can do this pretty cheap. If you just got to have all the stuff right now and don't mind paying full price. You will be rubbing 3 grand when done. I have done it a number of different ways, from custom built big dollar, 570hp Subaru conversions to one that just barley squeaked over a thousand bucks. I would say a good average would be around 2500. That is a lot of "bang for the buck". Also...with a few slight mods to the turbo and exhaust, they will easily jump over 300 hp safely.
The large percent of us want the most for our dollar...the green stuff is not all that easy to come by, so we want to get all we can out of what we have. If you are wanting more power and longer engine life and you can get it at a much lower price...it just seems reasonable to take that direction.
If you are truly happy with your current engine set-up, don't change it just because someone said something else was better. As a matter of fact...if you are happy with your car...then I am jealous, because I am never satisfied with anything, when I make it fast...in two months I want it faster. I envy those who are content with low power...it takes a lot less time and money.


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which subaru motors are best to mate to the vw trany?


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2.5 is the most popular, but stay away from 99 to 02 model years because they had cooling and head problems....thats what i've read


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so, 2.5, is there a specific title for the motors? like the toyotas have them?


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This is what a 2.0 turbo-ed subaru looks like in a rail.

And here is a shot of it in action.

My dad swears by that little 2.0. I thought I had heard that a lot of the 2.5s were having problems? I could very well be incorrect, but it seems like I remember reading it somewhere. I will say this as well nube, if you plan on running a stock type1 trans, you better be real light on the gas in first and second or you will tear it up quicker than you can believe.


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well. ive been thinking.
i'll probably have about 5k near the end of september.
i would like to find a motor (mazda,porsche, subaru, vw, ecotec) to put in my bug.
yeah, i would like to have something reliable, high-output, and did i mention fast? maybe about 200hp....
those pics look great, but my foot is kinda hard on the gas... i guess i imagine having a corvette power, reliability and control in a vw...
is there some one that can help me build and get a motor running that could work within those limits?
i know i won't be able to do this on my own...

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You can definitely run the subaru hard, just not with a stock trans. If you were to get an 091 bus trans or another beefy trans, you should be able to run it real hard. I would think you could get a subaru, adapter plate, wiring harness/computer, and anything else you may need for it and still have enough left out of that 5k to get a decent trans. Darryl or someone who really knows what they are talking about should be along before too long and they will have a better estimate for you than I do. lol. My dad already had a built 091 in his rail when he switched to the subaru. I believe that he spent just under 3k for the subaru and all he needed to put it in the car.


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I read the whole thread, as this discussion has been going on some time, but I didn't see a mention of the RX7 Rotary (12A). I have three blocks, one being complete with thermal reactor (exhaust manifold) and carb, etc. I've been itching forever to get them torn down to see if any are rebuildable.

I know from my experience that they are very weak on the low end torque but can produce huge RPM stock and even more ported. I had one that I'd regularly push to over 8K RPM and blow the doors off most anything I came up against (Yes younger years).

The 1st gear on the VW is very short and I think that the low weight and high RPM capability as well as the low torque can be a very reliable combination for any variation of driving.

I checked with kennedy and they have the adapter for $400, but require a counterwieght from an automatic trans. I'm not sure what that would be for since the manual trans engine seemed to run fine without it, unless it has to do with the stock flywheel.

I just thought I'd throw this into the mix, although I won't be able to afford the conversion anytime in the near future, unless I can find someone selling the adapter for cheap. I'd still have to figure out an ignition system and probably put a different carb, etc. on. Just wanted to share my thoughts.


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We had a 13B in the Porche 914, it was a rocket ship.

Yes you need the counterwieght from an automatic trans. To install the engine in a VW or Porche...This was a hard to find part in the early 90's and had to pay the price for it. I'm sure it's evan harder to find today.

Last Rotarys do not like dirt or sand etc. you get a little into the engine and it will destroy it. If you street it it should be fine but I would not use one for off road, not evan the sand dunes were the RPMS ould be fun...Dirt and Sand, Dirt and Sand...and Teflon seals will not survive.

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I read the whole thread, as this discussion has been going on some time, but I didn't see a mention of the RX7 Rotary (12A). I have three blocks, one being complete with thermal reactor (exhaust manifold) and carb, etc. I've been itching forever to get them torn down to see if any are rebuildable.

I know from my experience that they are very weak on the low end torque but can produce huge RPM stock and even more ported. I had one that I'd regularly push to over 8K RPM and blow the doors off most anything I came up against (Yes younger years).

The 1st gear on the VW is very short and I think that the low weight and high RPM capability as well as the low torque can be a very reliable combination for any variation of driving.

I checked with kennedy and they have the adapter for $400, but require a counterwieght from an automatic trans. I'm not sure what that would be for since the manual trans engine seemed to run fine without it, unless it has to do with the stock flywheel.

I just thought I'd throw this into the mix, although I won't be able to afford the conversion anytime in the near future, unless I can find someone selling the adapter for cheap. I'd still have to figure out an ignition system and probably put a different carb, etc. on. Just wanted to share my thoughts.


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I think the coolest setup i have ever seen was a 351c twin turbo with a pantara transaxle. It was used mostly for sand drags but he took it to the dunes too i guess. he said that it had 1000 horses. I know that the 351 single turbo that he took out had 800 horses. He sold it to my boss when i was in high school so many years ago and we couldn't find anything to put it in. I wasn't into sand rails at that point in my life and i could afford the 6000 bucks he wanted for it to put it in my 68 mustang.

poor high school kid Sad

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Ya what the heck happened to the stock vw engine prices, Gome thru thru the ROOF! I have been thinking about putting something else in my rail when I get it done. I really wanted to stay air cooled. But I gess theres gold under that there alumnuim for the VW engine parts. Looking a At mid 90s 2.5 jeep engine.

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For stock rebuilt stuff, I imagine cores are getting a little harder to find and machining costs have gone up.

The Jeep engine is nice and full of torque, but HEAVY. I am staying air cooled!


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Ya I perfer air cooled as well, Just have to put up with the inflated parts costs, or wait until the rescession wears on them some more.
Ive heard of suberu engines working out nicely. They are apposed 4 cyc water cooled, but I don't want all the raidatior and cooling hoses complexity

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Check out page 5 of this thread Athlon. My old man runs a subaru in his rail. It is definitely worth getting the set up right and doing a subaru in my opinion. My Uncle had a 2.3 Ford in his until my dad got the subaru. Haha! Once he saw the power those things can put out and how small and lightweight they are, he started building a new car and tailored it to a subaru. He finished last year and that thing will move! His top run down the sand drags at Buttercup he was hitting 76mph and not running that hard on it since it was the firts trip out on that motor. The subarus are a lot of fun if you are going to go water cooled.


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WOW that Suberu looks KICKEN!!!! Thanks for the info! I might go for one of those, is it carburatiored or fuel injected. I Like carbs. Wonder what kind of fuel mileage you would get? And looks alot cheaper then a new gold plated vw engine, I still can't beleve $500- $700 or more for a new case, and $150-$400 or more for heads. You know Alumnium prices have gone way down now. Man I can get a brand new target chevy 350 for $1500. This is my first rail. and I am shocked at the engine prices $2400 to $3200 for a stock 1600cc Well Im going to build along untill i need a engine. Becouse i don't have one. And make a descision then i gess. Well Fuel Is down right now but won't be for long, and the rail im building is going to be street leagle and dirt run. Hopeing to get great gas mileage with it useing a stock duel port 1600 if I can afford one. Im in florida and parts are hard to find here. So I will probley have to build one out of new parts.

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It is fuel injected. I couldn't tell you what kind of mileage they get though as he doesn't run it on the road and never really pays that much attention to that kind of stuff in the sand ya know? An yeah, engine prices are crazy right now. I was lucky enough when I seized my 1835dp to find a 1600sp for 200 complete. Switched out the gen. on that one for the alt. on my other motor and a few other things and was ready to go for next to nothing compared to every other price I have seen lately.

Don't know where you are in Florida, but I just jumped on CL real quick to look at stuff in Florida and found a few things for ya. Haha!

1600dp

shortblock

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Hey thanks much, im in central fl most of that stuff is in miami area. 400 miles south of me. what is cl?

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CL= Craigslist. Sorry.


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Thanks AZBaja for answering my questions. What fun would a Baja be on street only? Those rotory's don't like regular bosch plugs either, they eat them. I had a 80 Rx7 that had them in it when I bought it and when I pulled the engine to swap it I pulled them out or at least what was left of them.

I'd still like to try it someday, especially if I run across a counterweight and/or adapter dirt cheap and won't have much money but a lot of time invested otherwise.

I guess I could always get a street bug, but alas I have too many vehicles already and cannot afford insurance on everything, let alone upkeep.

Air cooled will be the way to go for now. I also have a 61 corvair lakewood hiding in the Garage for future fun. Maybe a V8 swap (350 Chevy), but I would rather keep the cargo area intact. Also with the availabilty of the newer/better machined parts it might be better to stay air cooled.


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