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Well... not to start up that age-old debate we had going on over on the old website, but there is alot to be said about the VW design....simplicity, availability, durability, cost, flexability in use.... I am not trying to step on anyones toes, this time... but there are some hardfast reasons why in 2006 a great majority of the community still chooses to rely on a design from the 50's and 60's... No its not perfect, and when enough rednecks squirt enough silicone into them, yea they can get a bad rep. but I have no plan to ever replace my V-Dub boxer-4's for anyt other engnie out there... I believe in building it once the right way, and relying on my own work to get me through anything out there, Here in Ut where the desert and mountains are only approx 30min from my house, I take my baja out at least every other weekend(with exception of this last year that Ive been overhauling the total vehicle slowly) and have never been left stranded...


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Right on! we all kinda forget about the original power sources for the bugs....good ol german engineering! its been proven time and time again that an old fashioned air cooled vw flat 4 will out last and out perform any other engine in the vw. sure you can slam a ford, chevy, subu, or any other engine you want in a bug, but they just aint as hardy as an old fashioned vw air cooled block.










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Who wants to paly tug-o-war?


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Post Post subject: Re: other engines for bajas
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Who wants to paly tug-o-war?

I'm in!

The biggest lure for most in going with a newer motor is the power for dollar ratio. A wrecking yard motor that is fuel injected and puts out 250hp is a fairly easy find for less than $400. I bought two turbo coupe motors for $100 each. Add to that the fact that the engine puts out that power stock and will last a long time like that. A VW motor that puts out that power will cost a whole lot more and will not last as long. Granted the VW motor will not have to put out as much power to compete as it does not weigh as much but I think it still comes down to project dollars.

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Granted the VW motor will not have to put out as much power to compete as it does not weigh as much Bingo,! head-on-the-nail! a VW engine weighs 1/2 to 1/3 of the typical waterpumper, not including the radiator and all the water circulating...

I think it still comes down to project dollars. Nice point, but your dealing with alot more fabrication which the average joe may not be able to grasp, or may not want to, thus leaving them to pay for a shop in town to do it $$$ Not to mention that you still need to call up Heckar for a $400 adapter... 250hp is a fairly easy find for less than $400 less than $400? you just spent that on the adapter... not to mention that once you add that heavy motor, you'll NEED not just WANT a full tied in cage just to hold that weight... more $$$

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You could look at the point, once you make the step to the full cage etc. and it seems at that time most people convert to somthing other than the VW.

The other plus is once you hang the motor on your cage the odds of breaking nose cones seems to drop.


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The other plus is once you hang the motor on your cage the odds of breaking nose cones seems to drop.

now thats not nice Razz

im just too lazy to bolt the front (nose cone) trans strap in....


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Even at $1000 for a water pumper conversion you are still cheaper than a quality VW build. The carbs for a strong VeeWee are as much or more than the adapter for a water pumper.

The two things I always caution people on is the fabrication involved and the added weight. Either one is easily overcome if you have the skills. I can't argue that bolting on a built aircooled motor is the easiest way to go and for many people that is the way they should go. After comparing build costs and doing almost twenty water-cooled conversions you couldn't convince ME that aircooled are better.

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Post Post subject: Re: other engines for bajas
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I have seen lots of conversions, and I have seen alot of jurry-rigged disasters where the builders didn't realize the magnitude of the added weight/power, lots of cages with solid motor mounts that almost line up with the tranny causing disasterous problems. For an experienced builder its no big deal to make the cage and prep the vehicle, but too many home do-it-yourselfers are in adequate! bottom line. I have considered a conversion myself, but the steep price just to get into the conversion and seeing so many disasters with the swich, Ive devoted my time and energy into T-1 and T-4 engines, turbo and N/A. It doesnt cost that much to make plenty of power, I have all the performance I could want from my rides.
The only application I would reccommend a conversion in would be in a race type application, or similar.


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well i found my life's calling a long time ago, it's pissin people off(insert satirical laugh here)! so with that said i'd like to publically announce that i'm devoting my 74 aircooled baja to be converted to a 2.3 monster. i will save enough cash to buy those computerized scales that go under the tires like they use in serious auto racing, and race tune my beetle's suspension to handle the added weight better! of course this is after my car has it's race frame and the mandatory steel balls hanging from the rear bumper. you know, i might even put a Ford emblem on my hood.

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but seriously this battle couldn't be won. one side is arguing relibility and making strong points, but the other side is arguing race and making strong points.
now as far as project dollars go, you get what you pay for. if you rebuild an aircooled engine and want it to last, it'll cost you. how much are you willing to spend is the question you have to ask.
if you look long enough you are bound to come across a non-vw engine real cheap. if you feel confident about fabricating your beetle to accept a non-vw engine, and succeed you have a beetle that is ready to perform.

if your worried about reliablilty, i'm sure you wouldn't risk the transformation, not to mention you more than likely drive with your vw's lifespan on your mind so you wouldn't do anything too extreme with your baja.

on the other hand if you're willing to risk choppin your back-end up, i'm sure you risk those high-speed turns, jumps, and just downright abuse your vehicle every chance you get.

with all this said i must leave you with this:in my opinion dollar for dollar i don't think an aircooled engine could keep up with a non-vw engine.


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with all this said i must leave you with this:in my opinion dollar for dollar i don't think an aircooled engine could keep up with a non-vw engine.


i am guessin that you have never been to the dunes? those rails with 2100+ vw's and turbo blow the pants off the Ls1, Ls2, Northstar, fords, etc Very Happy

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the standard vw from the early days all stock would not keep up with a turtle down hill with out a small mod (exhaust, carbs, ignition, etc)
the vw's they build now are pretty ballsy. you match the vw engine specs to the trans specs to the way you wanna drive and there is a way to get what you want. it may not be a chevy 400, or a 5.slow set up, but you can still roast the wheels and have fun!
did you know that we have a member here that drag races vw bugs?


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This is true, here in Ut I know 4 racers that still race their bugs with aircooled motors... All4 are under 11.5 seconds.

Ya build it for the application and it just works, its that simple.


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well you guessed right bajafun, i've never spent any time at the dunes, i can't deny you that. but i would like to know ballpark how much cash is involved in building a 2100+ w/turbo vw engine


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you can buy them turn key. basically they just need carb and dog house then slap em in.

are there any vw shops in your location that carry turn key motors?


shippin on that would be pricey....(im guessin)


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look at AJ SIMMS site.

they race bugs. they build motors.

www.lowbugget.com/

www.lowbugget.com/turb..._page.html


look (www.chirco.com)

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