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hello

I am totally new to this forum, but been around the scene for some time. I'm in the process of rebuilding my front beam, and looking for place to move my tread from one of the other baja forums, which happened to be a little too slow and rusted for me, with not enough interaction about the subject (except few members that i thank for involvement), nor cooperation of the editors, which seam to block me for saying that

Ill drop few pics to get this going, if ill see interaction of community ill def follow up for all of you picture hungry monsters!!:)















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this one is the ish!!
if ill ever get hold of 20B
even wonder if i could mid-mount it
Ive fix that car already once,
and cruised with it for while, def it was too shaky, but nothing like any other 1st gen.


now i run pro comp and MSD set up. On the try up that sucker fired up like never before but had to shut it 1/2 sec after.


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Backing plates are not needed, most aftermarket brakes dont use them. Just a place for rocks and debris to get caught up in.

Are you going through the whole car? or just the beam?


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welcome to the site and yes the pics re good

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Backing plates are not needed, most aftermarket brakes dont use them. Just a place for rocks and debris to get caught up in.Are you going through the whole car? or just the beam?

pic few weeks ago lots changes by now plus registered!

whats up BugZyla !!
-the whole nine yards,
This beam is the very last item besides electrical and ins and outs, to get the ride on the road and start torturing it:)

This time rebuilding it (second time), it is volksrod baja (chopped) but raised.
I got the chassis, front discs and new trans for great deal, so i transferred all the components from my old baja, which had problem with body corrosion.
Ill take some pics when i get to my garage-shop, so far im in different location doing this front beam.
cheers!

i still have a questions, which would help me cut hours of work:
...since i transferred my baja mechanics onto foreign volksrod body, it makes me think that front bead adjusters might be welded only to drop the vehicle.

Do i have to re-weld them in order to get more height clearance? or i bu looking at the pic- do I have enough on the screws to raise the front.
I could not check it while it was on the vehicle, because it was stuck.

PS: as i am editing i saw more posts- CREST and PAD ...welcome here as well!!
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thank you Azbaja
your name sounds like a big man in here!
as i am looking around,
i see a lot of solid info and great treads, complements!
good luck and see you around
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Hello
This has been the dirtiest 8waisted hours in my life.
what i found out is that those little adjusters, have a orientation for single or double top spring.
I have double
Locking bolt does not go into a drilling hole, but where 2 top springs meet. I am not sure what is weight ratio, but will add simple adj airshocks in worst case.
Do you guys know if those shocks for standard balljoint height are dependable for offroading? Not much of visual accomplishment will kep pic small in fact all of my beauty senses degraded by now.




pic below show unite mounted back.
adjusters to torsions are secured at the drilling hole on adjusters and torsion bar.
thats temporry untill i will hammer in the control arms. angle is funny now, but once mounter i will rotate adjusters 90deg and use second hole on the bolt and adjuster will set them up for finished height.


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Ball joint beams have a cross-shape to the stack of torsion leaves with 2 narrow leaves at top and bottom of the stack. If the screw is encountering the flat side of the leaves or between the 2 narrow leaves, you have the leaf stack inserted wrong or the adjusters welded in the beam tubes wrong. Keep in mind that the leaves will twist once you install the arms and spindles. Don't try to install the leaves as if you are putting them in their final position at ride height. The adjuster set screw should contact the edges of the leaves where the conical hole in the side of the stack is at.

Adjusters need to be welded into the beam tubes at different rotation for a raised front suspension than for a lowered front end. The adjusters will not allow enough adjustment to do both. Stock to lowered is one installation angle and stock to raised is another.

Be sure also that you haven't swapped the ends of the leaves. They must be installed the same way they were originally. Reversing them will put the set screw holes in the wrong places and even if you got them in, they would be likely to sag quickly and be likely to soon break.


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Oh, and this site has a forum for Volksrods
www.azbaja.com/ForumsP.../f=17.html
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Thank you mojaveracer for this info. its a great tip, almost something that i was searching all along for, and from beginning i was afraid that something is wrong in this set up. I definitely want to raise the car, and volksrod body came only as a hybrid (got it for cheap, has potentials to look cool and be different ect), but i am utilizing modifications used for offroading (cooling engine, single carb, raised rather than lowered beams. ..
I will look for some references in volksrod section, but Individual hints given are very important to me!
on another hand if needed, maybe moderator can move it to projects and builds section, just hope the tread would not suffer with that transfer, i dont insist.
HxC
i am adding pic of the set up i have sketched out
only 1 thing im not certain is 2nd adjuster bolt location -90 deg clockcount/or left?
i mean i did pressed balljoints correctly holy s!@#!! that w/d bugger...haah did that mistake already pressing in, and i stripped the bold on top, just hope dont have to cut the pipes for adjusters relocation
i am very confused does the torsion bar stock goes thought the middle horizontally flat, and if raised the screw goes up?
some references, Q: but still cant find out how exactly different is adjuster welding angle for dropped vs raised front plus the internal insert w/2 holes orientation. The casting of adjuster looks fairly similar to other raised fronts, maybe insert inside is placed wrong- anybody?
look here for references maybe someone can put it into practical language for me, okay i sound like broken record lol- later on today i will take pic of the beam on the car so there is more points of reference.

adjuster info:on the pic of first adjuster i see only of a tip of sort of hidden second screw??



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From the top pic of your beam, the adjusters are set to raise the car, not lower it.

There are 2 set screws in a balljoint adjuster. You have to slide the spring pack in and line the dimple up with one set screw (the small one) and once its tightened down then you rotate the adjuster to allow the longer set screw to be inserted, the one the aluminum adjuster block goes on.


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yes, i have tried to set them up so they are raised.

so there are 3 screws total on these adjusters.
ill try to repeat the sequence
-place first short screw (which i think im missing) so it goes into drilling hole on center of 4 torsions leafs, rotate and lock it up with second-longer screw which goes onto flat face of two short top torsions- now torsions are internally locked with 2 screws. and than lock it up the third screw with is on external casting.

On the picture below it seams that it shows opposite order, tiny screw A goes on the face of 2 short leafs, and then second screw with flat tip goes into drilling hole- does not make sense it that case short screw would split 2 top torsion, and flat end screw would not house into drilling into side of 4 leafs. One way or other i am brainstorming thoughts, please dont mind , but will def resolve it! for now i need to go to garage and start comparing the info and pics that i gathered here, to what i have.

If anything ill break it all apart again, purchase set on new adjusters to have a good reference and maybe install them double afterwords.

thanx bugzylla and the rest of community.
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The short set screw goes in where the spring pack is dimpled (has the countersink te receive the set screw) The longer bolt/nut/alum block are not intended to hold the spring pack in on the dimple, they are just there so adjusting screw has something to push on when adjusting the ride height.


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