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Post Post subject: Something a little different in my bug...
Posted: Tue Mar 01, 2011 08:44 AM
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So I have joined the army and am ready to start one of three of my dream baja bug builds.
To be very honest I am new here, and know next to nothing about bugs...but know alot about different yotas and such which is why I have always wanted to do this build first.
My plan is to take a 2WD single cab toyota pickup and take the axles and engine (hopefully it is the 22r...) and somehow make it all fit on/in the bug!
I know...crazy right! But I know it can be done...I have it mapped out both on paper and in my head.
My question to all of you masters is...well just tell me your thoughts and where I should start!
Any and all info would help...like body (metal or fiber glass?), insides, outside, lift, any and all mock ups you think I will need to start the build.
Thanks to all in advance!

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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 01:24 AM
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Alright alright...alot of views but no responses...
So after talking with my friend who was 100% positive he could ram 220hp out of a 22r...well lets just say it went pop.
So I have to take a new route on things...
two new ideas and please! Any and all input would be nice! (if its positive of course Smile )
So option one:
take a 2003 Nissan 350z engine and tranny, mount it to a frame (i am actually leaning toward an S2000 frame at the moment) take a D61 or Ford 9" rear end and go from threre...
Or!
Option two:
Take a LS1 and mount it to a T56 with the same frame/axle combos as option one...

My goal by the end is to have enough power to zip around, turn 33x12 MT's, yet get at least 27+on the freeway or so...

Anyone?

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Post Post subject: Re: Something a little different in my bug...
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 01:38 AM
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I don't know a lot about these, but a lot of people throw EcoTec engines in their bugs with an adapter plate to a bus trans. I've heard a lot of good things about the power. Look on thesamba.com for some of the ecotec builds. You could always turbo it or something, just depends what you wannna spend on it...


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Post Post subject: Something a little different in my bug...
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 02:44 AM
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Search for "beetle on jeep frame", sounds similar to what you want to try with the Toyota. That search found people using Jeep, S10, Ranger and Suzuki.
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The only thing about the ecotec stuff is the engine is in the rear, and I want to mount it in the front and run RWD...
I have thought about using a these different frames but they are 300-600lbs heavier then the S2000 frame.
But would it be easier to use a jeep frame from a cj5 or cj7 you think?

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Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2011 03:09 AM
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Also,
Can anyone tell me if you can pull the gears out of an axle and still run it?
I want to use a D60 for the front axle to hold the massive 450lb+engine/tranny combo without worry'n about it...
If you can, what should go up there?

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Post Post subject: Something a little different in my bug...
Posted: Tue Mar 08, 2011 05:42 AM
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My Toyota 22re gets 19mpg with 4.88s gears and 33x12.50s. With 3.58s it gets 17mpg. A stock Toyota pickup with a 22R or RE is NOT going to get 27mpg. Your 27 mpg is unrealistic. Then you want to hotrod the engine?

A lot of the lack of response on here is probably due to the unrealistic approach to the idea. Virtually none of what you want to do applies to this forum. You're not going to find much response on a VW offroad forum to questions about Toyota drivetrains or 350Z or S2000 frames (I don't believe an S2000 has a frame, but I've never looked under my brother's) or Chevy engines. And 450 lbs is pretty light for an engine. That would be something like the Toyota 4 cylinder, not a V8.

To do what you want will require fabricating a chassis of tubing and installing a VW body shell on it. I've seen all kinds of redneck conversions from Vegas to Corvettes to Cadillacs on 4x4 chassis. Not one was well done. And building a chassis from scratch will require some engineering skill to go with fabricating. I'm not saying it cannot be done. But please do it right.


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Then obviously you have a crap engine for your 22re must be from a 4wheel drive, Ive seen the lowered 2wd models hover just under 30 mpg before.
A stock 22re without acc, weighs under 300lbs, a stock ls1 without acc weighs just under 350lbs. Ive done so much research on different engines that you sould really watch what you say about these things before you say them...
The Ls1 is an all aluminum engine, it was designed to be powerfull yet light wheight. Thats why its in the chevy corvette...
The S2000 has a X style frame,( www.hondanews.eu/en/te...ndex.pmode )
it is welded to the body itself to increase performance, making it more rigid.
I have seen so many different custom mock ups that have worked just fine, and out run many different jeeps, yotas, you name it really.
Personally the lack of response is that people dont like it when someone takes a vw bug and makes it better by fabricating it up personally...

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Post Post subject: Something a little different in my bug...
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 12:33 PM
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My Toyota is a 2WD. The 22RE is the same for the 2WD and the 4WD. Not a "crap engine for your 22re must be from a 4wheel drive". And people who claim 30mpg out of a Toyota pickup must be living in an alternate universe where they can roll downhill with a tailwind all the time. You're CERTAINLY NOT going to get 30mpg with 33" tall tires in real life!

An engine in a car without its accessories isn't going to do anything but sit there. Unless you're considering shipping weight of a shortblock, engine weight in the vehicle needs to consider all components including flywheel, clutch, water pump, exhaust manifolds, intake manifold and throttle body(ies)/carb(s), air filters, alternator, etc.

The S2000 is a unit body. Like most passenger cars, not a separate frame like a truck or even like a Bug. If that's what you have in mind, why not look at a Jeep Grand Cherokee unit body frame? It at least has suspension intended a little more for offroad use than an S2000. But then maybe you are thinking of offroading in parking lots and on the grass at truck shows?

OK
I see your attitude.
This site is all about people modifying their VWs and using them differently than originally intended.

But if you have it all figured out, why do you ask our opinions and get offended when people don't give you answers?

This is a friendly site. Your attitude does not fit.


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Post Post subject: Re: Something a little different in my bug...
Posted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 02:19 PM
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OK
I see your attitude.
This site is all about people modifying their VWs and using them differently than originally intended.

But if you have it all figured out, why do you ask our opinions and get offended when people don't give you answers?

This is a friendly site. Your attitude does not fit.[/quote] ( x2) If you have the fab skills, You can stick a bug body on just about any frame you want,,hell, ive seen alot of app,s,, The peeps here will help anybody they can on this site But ATTITUDE GETS ATTITUDE in all aspects of life,We keep it friendly here, THANKS! Cool


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Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 10:20 PM
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Personally the lack of response is that people dont like it when someone takes a vw bug and makes it better by fabricating it up personally...

I think this is actually one of the first non friendly threads i have seen on azbaja. If it was not for everyone here I would have a hunk of metal and not a baja. And in response to the above comment, have you ever looked at anything on this site? Because im pretty sure thats WHAT ITS ALL ABOUT...I think its kinda funny that you would even say that. just my 2 cents

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Post Post subject: Re: Something a little different in my bug...
Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 06:33 PM
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Sorry I haven't been on in awhile-
I wasn't trying to be rude or anything, just stating facts. So in response!

I had a 90 single cab toyota pikup 2wd that had the 22re. I had it lowerd on airbags with 19's and it got 29mpg on the freeway if i kept it under 70mph. I also had headers, exhaust, high flow cat, intake, port and polished heads, etc. All the bells and what nots. But with the bigger wheels and acc I am pretty sure that it all helpped to get that mpg.

You are right the s2000 is a unit body, but if you cut the welds that hold the body to the frame you have a light weight x style frame like in the like I provided. I think its possible but we will have to see. I would go with a jeep frame but they are heavy! I want the bug to be under 2k lbs if possible. (minus the sub and speakers ill have lol)

Basically I have tossed the idea of the 22re because its just to small for me. Like I have said it just is a battle between the nissan engine and the LS1. Thats my problem so far...

So if anyone wants to help I would love to hear some stuff about it. Dealing with the axle and engine problems!
Thanks and sorry again if I sounded like I was being mean! I just know what I had and have done crazy amounts of reasearch!

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Post Post subject: Re: Something a little different in my bug...
Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 02:04 AM
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found this pic and thought it might interest you. bug convertible on a toyota 4x4 chassis

images.thesamba.com/vw.../26142.jpg

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Posted: Tue May 03, 2011 07:24 AM
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Not sure how I did not see this, But as for your build, Me like most are not sure what to think so most people will not say any thing at all. No need to get down on people for not commenting. I do run and 2.3 Ford OHC in my Baja with parts mostly from American muscle cars...Why? I grew up with muscle cars and understand them so I built the baja and wired it like my 74 Duster 360. You would be suprised by the amount of parts shared. I run a 150amp GM alt on my Baja I also run the same 150amp GM alt on the Duster. Why? well it works. So do what works best and will last the longest.


So yes it can be done and if you have the plan do it.


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All you neeed to do is cut down the Yoda frame to fit the Beetle body. It should not be to hard as long as you have a torch and welder.

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