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i may have found a baja starter project-- what is all involved in putting a ford 2.3 in a bug?? what all do i need?


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$$$$$$$$$$$$$ Shocked Cool

You need a motor, adapter plate, radiator, header. I would recomend at LEAST 3x3 arms in the rear or you will have the front end up in the air more times than not. You can stick with the bug trans, but just use a stock clutch like Eric does so the trans will hold up, but obviously a bus trans would give you better service.


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And you might consider an Ecotec motor, they are cheap ($300-$500) and readily available, and only 50 lbs heavier than a bug motor.


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okay i might stick with a bug motor for now but this bug doesnt have an engine so i was just wondering if it was feesable for me to go straight to the 2.3 but i might be able to get my hands on a FI super beetle engine

i was wondering if it is possible/ what the benifits are to put a diesel 2.3 in
Or the ford 2.9


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Ecotec is the easiest (relatively) and least expensive swap, unless you're set on the ford engine. I've been looking to do an ecotec swap for awhile now, just need the $$$

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the ecotec looks like a spendy swap its a relatively new engine---im guessing an adapterplate is needed just as the ford needs an adapter plate--what makes it easier or cheaper?


i am a fan of ford but im also a fan of Cheap upgrades


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And you might consider an Ecotec motor, they are cheap ($300-$500) and readily available, and only 50 lbs heavier than a bug motor.


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Unless you get everything for the conversion with the 2.3 Ford engine just go for the Eco tech conversion. Everything required for the Ford swap is the same as the Eco swap. Standard Eco engines are dirt cheap $500. And they are fuel injected and are not over 20 years old like the 2.3. The 2.3 swap was state of the art 25 years ago. With out upgraded suspension and transmission all you end up with is a butt heavy, ill handling Baja.

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The motor adapter is about the same price for either Ford 2.3 or Ecotec. The Ecotec requires the electronic system and computer. You can find Ecotec engines for $500, but the wire harness, sensors and computer setup and programming typically costs over $2K. You can do a Ford 2.3 with a carb and conventional ignition and eliminate that portion of the cost. Later FI forms of the Ford will run into the same computer costs as the Ecotec. Other late model engines such as Honda or Toyota deal with the same cost factors.

Such a swap would be silly with a stock Type 1 gearbox. It was designed for 40hp. A Bus 002 would be the minimum in my book and many who are using Ecotecs are upgrading beyond into Mendeola or Weddell gear boxes for ~$7-8K plus installation costs.

Suspension upgrades would be needed to support any above engine swap too as Daryll said.

The FI late Bug engine brings its own set of problems. But the EFI can be replaced with a carb like a single 40 IDF Weber which will give good performance and reliability for a few hundred$. Dual Kadrons or even a Solex 34PICT 3 would also work on that engine.


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