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I want to have a body like this won but I dont know wich model is that

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Yur best bet is to build it. I used 2x3 tubing and drilled thouh one side with a larger bit and welded in round tubing to strenghten the key mounting points by the A, B and C pillars.

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Do you have some pic of your work ?

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looks to be a 67...not the best choice to start with when building a baja. Ball Joint front and Swing Axle Rear.


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Do you have some pic of your work ?

Not of the lift kit. I found out after building it I don't like them. Almost all of it can be constructed from rectangle tubing. Front piece requires short pieces and rounding the top.

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looks to be a 67...not the best choice to start with when building a baja. Ball Joint front and Swing Axle Rear.
Talking about body lifts...Sorry


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okok you know I just wanna have the baja style I mean only the baja style . is it possible to put the 7 piece wide eye baja kit and big wheels without any modification on the chassi the mecanic/without body lift ?

what is the best beetle year to make a baja ?

sorry for my many's question but im reading a lot of thing about baja's
im trinying to learn about so your help will be appreciate !

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If you want just the look, you can use any year standard. As far as body lifts, Daryl (bugzylla) makes and ships the heavy duty ones.

If you plan is just street/dirt roads, you can get by with the baja kit. You should be able to run 235/70r15's in the rear and maybe 205 or 215's in the front. You will probably want to lift it a little though. You can do it for free, just time. re-set the torsion bars in the rear, cut and turn the front beam.


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ok is there a place that explain how to re-set the torsion bars in the rear, cut and turn the front beam. ?

somewhone have some pic??

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ok is there a place that explain how to re-set the torsion bars in the rear, cut and turn the front beam. ?

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Yes, will have to search for the info though. Will update this when I find it.

Here is discussion on the torsions azbaja.com/ForumsPro/v...sions.html

here is some on the beam: azbaja.com/ForumsPro/v...+beam.html


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oh I havent seen your link ... oupssss

thanks a lot

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HI Sweetcars. I know it's been a couple weeks since the last post on this, but I thought I'd clear it up some for you.
In response to your ? about the differences between those various Baja body kits at Chirco:
- The "102" and "821136" are from the same molds, but the 102 is Extra thick fiberglass and the 821136 is regular thickness. These kits are for a "Standard Beetle".

Just so you know, all Beetles sold in the US were "Deluxe" models or "Super Beetles". The "Standard" model was sold in many other countries. I believe the cars sold in Canada were the same model as sold in the US. But for the sake of discussions such as this, people use the term "Standard" to indicate a Bug other than a "Super Beetle". Standards and Deluxe were the same bodywork, but the Super body is different forward of the door and the front of the pan and the front suspension are different too. The modern "New Beetle" is an entirely different vehicle based on the Golf chassis with a water cooled engine mounted transversely in front with front wheel drive, as opposed to the original Beetle's rear engine/ rear wheel drive setup. No parts are interchangeable between these cars and the New Beetle has no better offroad ability than any other front engine front wheel drive car.

- The "201" is for an early "Super Beetle". These cars have a flat windshield like other Beetles, but the front fender radius is different than on regular Beetles. This affects the front hood also. The nose might be a little different from those for a standard also. The rear fenders and hood are the same for all Beetles.
- The "202" is for a later 73+ "Super Beetle". These cars have a curved windshield different from other Beetles, and the front fender radius is different than on regular Beetles, but the same as the earlier Super Beetles. The curved windshield affects the front hood making it shorter at the back edge by several inches. The nose might be a little different from those for a standard also, but the nose and front fenders are probably the same as in the 201. Again, the rear parts would be the same as all other kits of the same style.

All of the above kits are of the "Roundtree" style, designed by Don Roundtree, owner of a shop in Riverside Calfornia.

The white Baja you say you want yours to look like has a "Sandwinder" style front end which is a 1-piece fiberglass. This is available from Chirco as "CPR853111". This style was also designed by Mr Roundtree. His shop was known as "Sandwinder". The kit is available in a multi-piece like the other ones Chirco sells, but not from Chirco. I don't have a reference to where they are currently available.

As to which year of Bug to start with...I suggest any year will work amazingly well offroad compared to other vehicles. You haven't yet indicated what your intended use for the car is. If you want something to cruise around on paved roads and simply present the look of a Baja, then any year Beetle or Super Beetle will work fine. If you want to use your Baja for some pavement and some offroad, then any year Standard Beetle will work fine and still do some incredible offroading.

For front suspension consideration, models with a Kingpin front end built up through the 1965 model have potential to be modified for as much as 15" of wheel travel. The 1966 and later Standard Beetle have a Ball Joint front end which is limited even with substantial modification to about 6" maximum travel. Super Beetles have a McPherson Strut setup, which works well on pavement, but is very weak for offroading. The rear on Supers is IRS just like that on later Standards.

For the rear suspension, Bugs up through 1968 have "Swing Axle" rear with a single axle joint at the side of the transaxle. This works pretty well offroad, but has the bad side effect of "Jacking" when lateral forces are applied (as in cornering) and is limited to about 9" max travel. The 1969 and later Beetles have "IRS" suspension with an axle joint at the side of the trans and another at the trailing arm, which pivots on the chassis. This suspension may be modified for travel in excess of 20".

The best combination of suspensions for offroad use is considered to be kingpin front and IRS rear. VW never built Bugs this way, so one would have to be modified for this setup. This requires welding and some savvy on how to do this.

For gear ratios for using larger tires, 1960 and earlier have a weak "splitcase" non-synchromesh 1st gear gearbox not considered good for offroad. Many such cars have had a 61-68 swingaxle "tunnelcase" gearbox installed. 1961 through 67 have 4.37:1 ratio, 68-73 have 4.12:1, and 74 and later have 3.88:1 ratio. The 1st through 4th gear ratios are pretty much the same for 61 and later.

Many like to replace the Type 1 (Beetle) gearbox inn IRS cars with a Type 2 (Bus/Van) IRS gearbox These are known as "002" or "091" and are much beefier gearboxes with axle ratios of 4.88 or 5.14. Again, welding , adapting axles and CV joints and a fair amount of knowledge of the process is required for this modification.

Keep in mind that this is NOT intended to tell all info on the subject. There are a number of books on the subject and all of them put together don't tell the whole story.

So it all comes down to what you plan to do with the car. This discussion is good for a thread of its own.


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