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Im new to Bajas, I need help
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Posted: Sat Sep 23, 2006 09:22 PM
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Hi guys, Its Karl from Canada, I'v been looking around at pics of bajas and iv been looking into a older beetle, not a super beetle (year unknown) with a little fender bender in the back fender and the hood is a little banged up. I figure I could get it for pretty cheap. I also noticed that there was quit a bit of oil on a peice of carboard underneath it. I know it has a motor in it but I have no idea if it runs. Assuming it has a bolwn engin how hard would it be for a 16 year old and his dad (who's worked on lost of small block V8's, inline 6's etc.)to rebuild the engin and how much would this cost. We've got all the tools to rebuil an engin and a huge 3 car garage so space is not an option. Also would this car be a practical evvery-day driver and to use it for some odd off-roading on wide quad trails and in some sand and ripin it up through feilds. My dads a bit of a pack rat and we got tonns of sheet mettal and pretty much evrything emmaginable out at our shop so I was thinking about makeing my own front and back fenders out of some sheet mettal. What gauge should I use.
- I have on old toyota 2000 cc 4 cylinder engin I could swapp in, is there any way to accomodate a liquid cooled engin into the baja?
- I was also looking at an auto wrecker a an older VW rabit that was rolled but its got a turbo on it, i could also pick this up for cheap, could this be swaped in?

Also links to Baja build up or conversion site would be nice

Thanks Alot.

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Post Post subject: Re: Im new to Bajas, I need help
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 09:01 AM
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Since your Dad owns a shop and has experience working on motors I think he and you would be able to learn how to rebuild and even hotrod VW motors, but pay attention to that "learn" part of what I said. Air cooled VW motors are of course different than a Chevy 350, but it shouldn't be too much trouble to learn the differences for someone that knows his way around a garage. Check out online book dealers for books on how to hotrod VW engines, someone else may chime with the title but it doesn't come to mind right now.

You are in luck on those fenders, you can swap a right front fender to the left rear side and then trim them to fit larger tires...left front to right rear.
So that saves you one pair of fenders to make yourself. For front fenders you may want to find a fiberglass set from a Baja kit someone is parting out or has laying around. Making your own is cool, but may not be worth the trouble. If you do make your own just go for something in a medium guage. Not too thick, not too thin...sounds generic but your best judgment will work fine I am sure. If you want to look for fiberglass fenders from someone there are a few classifieds/forums where people need to get rid of stuff that's just laying around, hit me up if you need pointed to something online but don't know where to start. There is also what is called a "One Piece" front end, basically the hood and fenders in a single piece of molded fiberglass. A lot of people go this route and it looks great.

Motor swap? Well, you have just gotten into a whole 'nother can of worms there, man.
Yes, you can swap in a water cooled engine. The key points to a water cooled swap are;
Transaxle adapter...Heckler and a few other guys make adapters that you will need, do an online search for vendors.
Wiring Harness...there are places that sell custom wiring harnesses, you may end up working out your own wiring harness from what the motor was being run with in the origional vehicle. PainlessPerformance is a place to look for custom wiring harnesses.
Engine Weight...there are light motors (Fords' 2.3L comes to mind) that you can run without running a cage to the rear of the car to provide engine mounts as a part of the cage. A heavy engine requires a cage with motor mounts to hold the weight of the engine, a VW transaxle case is made from cast not sure how much weight they can hold. I have no idea about that Toyota or the other engine you mentioned, maybe someone else can chime on those engines.
HORSE POWER, BABY!!!! Now that you have the extra power you are going to use it. Depending on your driving style the stock VW transaxle may not be up to the task, or you may not have an issue. Some guys can break a crow bar in a sand box, they definately need an 091. Some guys can get around with a Bug trans without problems. The trend with engine swaps is to upgrade transaxles also. Most everyone going to a powerfull motor does a transaxle swap either at the time of the motor swap or soon after.

From the impression I got from your post I suggest you and your Dad aquire that bug as cheap as you can get it, mention that body damage and restoration costs a lot, and order a "One Piece Front End" from MarkVFiberglass and set it up with good AllTerrian tires. Rebuild that motor stock or HotRod it, whatever you guys decide is best for you....then beat that fucker half to death. Untill you have gotten Balls to the Wall and even gotten a little out of hand with your driving don't even worry about that engine swap or other upgrades.
Do get some decent shocks though.

My 2 cents for ya.



Oh shit, I forgott about that damn radiator. You will have to do a bit of fabrication as to where and how to mount that radiator. I won't offer any advice except to say...do plenty of looking and homework. I have seen a lot of different of ways to get it done, but in my opinion they all look like ass. Good luck.

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Post Post subject: Re: Im new to Bajas, I need help
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 06:37 PM
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Thanks for that but I have a few questions. What does 091 mean "Depending on your driving style the stock VW transaxle may not be up to the task, or you may not have an issue. Some guys can break a crow bar in a sand box, they definately need an 091."
-do you have any sugestions for what type of shock to go with?
-how far over could I bore out the engin before having to wory about broblems?
-with a one peice front end do you have to change or add parts the front end, do you still have trunk space?
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Post Post subject: Re: Im new to Bajas, I need help
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 07:04 PM
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091 is a bus tranny of a particuar year. Theres fabrication involved installing one.
Fox and Bilstein are popular coilovers. If you just want a regular shock KYB are good.

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Post Post subject: Re: Im new to Bajas, I need help
Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 09:14 PM
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If you add a 1 piece front end you lose all front trunk space, event though I have seen a small trunk made by using sheet metal under the 1 piece.
As far a boreing the engine you can go as big as you budget will allow.


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Posted: Sun Sep 24, 2006 10:07 PM
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"As far a boreing the engine you can go as big as you budget will allow"
I believe its only 70$ a cylinder at one of the local engin shops plus the cost of new pistons, but how big can a 1600 cc engin get bored over to without having to worry about overheating and lowering engin life. What else has to be done if you bore out the engin, do you need to change any other parts?

-I took out the book on hotroding VW engins "how to hotrod VW engins". It says you can balance out all internal parts. they say to take the lightest connecting rod and file down the large end and the small end of the others to be within one gram of the lightest one. Has anyone ever done this? did it work out? does it lower engin life by raising the rpm's?
-any help on balancing cylinders? where do you shave the weight off?
-can you balance a crankshaft using a similar method or is it best to leave it be?

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Post Post subject: Re: Im new to Bajas, I need help
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you have a great idea goin. just sit down and think about it before jumpin in. VW's can be a pain in the neck to the rooky (and the experienced). take a day or so and talk it over.

if your gonna pour all time and effort into a project, take the time to decide what direction you want to go and how you "think " you want to finish Very Happy


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You dont bore vw cylinder you replace them with larger ones after haveing the case and heads cut for the larger pistons. It is allways a good idea to balance all the internal parts you would have to buy a counter weighted crank as it is very difficult to do it yourself. The book you picked up is a very good one read thru the whole thing a couple times.


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Okay, I just saw that diagram in the book, how the cylinders arent all in the block, how they come off. But can you bore them just enought to get the inside cleaned off if theyr a little scored.


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Post Post subject: Re: Im new to Bajas, I need help
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You can hone them fine, some guys have bored them and been fine, but if your gonna pay a machine shop to work on it, new P&C sets are cheap, might as well get new stuff...


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