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Post Post subject: Re: turbo efi baja
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 05:20 AM
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If you have any questions on anything other than, what turbo you should buy, I'll help you out as much as possible. But until then, I'm shooting in the dark because I've never really given a turbo a second thought on my Baja. I was probably going to end up suggesting a TD05H 18g.

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Hey thats me! Anyways if you are looking for under 200 hp you wont need much . I would build a 1915. Counter weighted crank, I beam or h beam rods, 044 heads with 40x35.5 valves dual springs, Cb performance cam # 2208 with big base lifters. If you are going to run a carb you will need a 40 or 44mm dellorto (No webers) you will need to buy the turbo emulsion tubes and the venturi rings. As for exhaust I would look for something fairly thick walled in a stinger type exhaust. 1.5" tube maximum. As for the turbo I would find something with a t-3 flange, I think the ideal turbo would be a IHI from a 87-88 ford turboucoupe. I would also buy the intercooler from the same car. This combo at 15psi should put out around 230 hp at the flywheel. The turbo is pretty maxed out at 18-20 psi but if you go with water injection I could see 260 hp at the flywheel at 18-20 psi.


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See, I told you he was a turbo efi guru. Mr. Green


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Post Post subject: Re: turbo efi baja
Posted: Mon Dec 01, 2008 06:53 AM
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haha thats for sure. are there water injection kits for vw engines? (im kinda new to turbos in case you didn't notice Smile )

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What water injection does is, it's sprayed before the throttle plates and acts as a catylis, it will cool down your intake temps and act as a higher octane, allowing you to run more boost with more agressive timing. At the power level, I doubt you'd need much more than a 200cc jet running at a proper spray pressure so a one gallon tank should last you awhile. Just be careful because I have seen people gunk up non-stainless valves, and always use distilled water. There are some cool kits out there too, I know if you run an AEM, its controller has an output that will feed into a stand-alone telling it when it is low/out of water and will actually lower your boost level and retard your timing so you don't cause damage to the engine if your kit runs out. Although an input like this would be easy to duplicate on your own, the fact that they offer it in a kit like that I think it pretty cool.

If anybody ever finds any of my information incorrect, please correct me, I'm not always right.

Also, I try to stay away from I-beam rods on road cars, probably stick with a forged H-Beam and it will be more than what you're looking for.

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Post Post subject: Re: turbo efi baja
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If you are going to run a carb you will need a 40 or 44mm dellorto (No webers)

why no webers??


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This is just a guess, but I'm going to say that webers cannot support forced induction due to their design. Completely off the wall guess, I'm very, very, very new to carbs here.

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would water injection be better than say 100% methanol injection because of the cooling factor? or is methanol a totally different deal?

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Post Post subject: Re: turbo efi baja
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hey guys, yes Kook is right on about the water injection. And yes you can do meth injection also but more expensive. I like using 1 bottle of isopropal alchohol to 1 gallon if water.
As for turboing a weber it can be done, but the carbs require alot more work, Floats, drilling some passages, seals, all the stuff that dells have done allready.


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would water injection be better than say 100% methanol injection because of the cooling factor? or is methanol a totally different deal?

Well back when I was doing research on the deal, here's what I came up with. From what I found out the specific heat of water is significantly greater than the specific heat of methonal, meaning water has a harder time changing temperature and will provide a greater cooling effect than methonal. Now some people will try to argue the point that injecting the methonal alone will raise octane, while this is true, its gains are minimal. You figure pure methonal is around 100 octane, in a boosted application for 220whp, you'll be running 450cc injectors (at 40-45psi) with a 90+% duty cycle and for the methonal injection, you'll be running a single 200cc jet at probably 30-35psi. Disregarding the pressures in this situation and going off of the flow of the fuel injectors and methonal jet, you'll be running pump gas (we'll say 91 octane) through all 4 injectors which can equal out to 1800cc of fuel/91 octane being injected while spraying 200cc of methonal/100 octane.

So what it all comes down to is you're running a ratio of 9:1 with these fuels. 9 parts 91 octane and 1 part 100 octane which will result in minimal actual octane increase. So really the only reason to run these kits would be for the cooling effects to which we've already discussed that water has a greater cooling effect. If you want the data I can find it, but I believe the specific heat of water was around 4 and the specific heat of methonal was like, 2.3.

Cliffs: You can run methonal injection, but you'll result in better gains from running straight water.

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Post Post subject: Re: turbo efi baja
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yea i was just wondering about that, im probly goin to get the aem water injection kit with the 1 gallon tank. its like $400 i think...

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By the way, if you were running the stock turbo up to 25psi, you were probably pushing it further than what it should have been. You'll still make more power up to a point, but you'll be throwing in tons of hot air, you're going to start detonating it up top, you're going to heat soak faster, and all this other fun stuff. In 1988 the turbo coupes were rated at 190hp and the 5spds should have had 14.7psi, the automatics were detuned and were rated at 150hp at almost 10psi.[/quote]

It is pretty easy to get 25psi out of the stock turbo. we just put a stage 3 compresser and exalust kit in it and changed the out the waste gate. and did a little bit of exaust porting. Sure was fun car though.

I am sure it was over clocked a bit since when i pulled out of camp verde heading to phoenix if i stopped at the top of the hill just out of CV, it was a nice shade of bright orange. As far as the 190 horse power the 87's were rated the same but would only get about 12 pounds of boost. at least that is what my buddy's got. Mine built 17 as did most people that i talked to that had them. i also met a guy at prp that put one in a pinto. He said he was getting 18 psi. from a stock set up. He was also turning hi 13 sec quarter mile times with no traction through the first two gears. Ugly car you would have never expected it out of it.

When my boss at the garage i worked at 14 years ago did the math of the boost increase of 5 psi and better air flow over the intercooler in real life than in the test he figured out a stock turbo coupe in 88 got 225 to 235 hp

Don't know if it is true but i know the car sure did run good.

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yea i was just wondering about that, im probly goin to get the aem water injection kit with the 1 gallon tank. its like $400 i think...

The AEM kit is a little pricey but it's what I'm running on the yoda right now. I'm not a fan of how it will increase the pressure linearly considering the turbo/fuel is completely different, but I guess you can't ask for something that will follow every setup perfectly. Really I'm a huge fan of AEMs injection pump, the thing is massive and reliable from my use out of it. The only problem most people seem to have with them is it's harder to see the arrows on the two adjustment screws, so sometimes people get their adjustments off. You'll understand if you order the kit. But I've only got the Yoda running at about 25% of what it should be and it made 450whp on pump gas (ran out of dyno time, had to make a new map from scratch).

Thuff - high 13s is pretty impressive for something like that. It's why I don't ever completely doubt somebody, because there are a lot of cars out there that are underrated or just factory freaks (mostly American cars).

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yea the aem kit seems like it be totally worth it

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Here's the pump, if you know how large supra headlights are, you can tell how massive this pump is.

www.volk-tech.com/pict...empump.jpg

Although in this car I had a problem mounting the tank, it wouldn't fit in the engine bay at all, I had to stuff it under the bumper and make 3 brackets for it. The big black square one around it is the main support. The Aluminum one going off to the side is just to keep it from going side to side, and there is a 3rd you can't see that will keep it from going back and forth.

www.volk-tech.com/pict...emtank.jpg

(this is a customer/friends car, not mine) But yeah, you're right, if I run water injection again on one of my cars, hands down, AEM. It's a little pricey, but the setup is perfect in my opinion.


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