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Post Post subject: Yo, "Nick the New Guy" here...
Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2008 11:43 PM
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I'm so green I have never even been IN a VW Bug before! The closest I've come is my wife's 05 Outback...? lol!
However...I pick up my 74 Baja this Friday and work will quickly follow. I'm a welder/fabricator by trade, and have built 4x4s, rockcrawlers, a few buggies and some street prerunners(streetrunners?), and I AM EXCITED to finally be building my own car. I still build rollcages and bumpers.fab work, but burned out on rockcrawling about 4-5 years ago. We had two little girls shortly before that happened so it worked out well. I think the kids are more excited about this car than I am, so it is time. It will be my reemergence into the offroad world...
But some things never change, and overkill is how I roll. My end plan is to have this thing on 35s, coilovered and tubed out, but it will always be a daily driver and have a nice, comfortable cockpit.
Was hoping you all could kinda steer me in the proper direction with my build... I know what I want, just not confident on where to start to get there. it will spend 75% of its time driving me to work, the rest getting me and the mountain bike out to my latest trail as quickly as possible! It will get beat, rodded and probably rolled, fixed, repeat.

Here's my plan: Low, fat, stretched and on 35s. The more I read about the 1600cc, the more I'm thinking that's not going to happen. So maybe some 33x9.50s? No mud or major dunes around here, working on getting a track built though.
I really need to have the car here to see how it all REALLY works, but I've done enough research in the last week to atleast get an outline. But I am thinking I'd like to widen the beam approx 6" move it forward about 6" and extend the trailing arms about 2.5". Long travel offroad shocks should control it all decently. Thoughts? Issues? Steering?
And if that works...Is boxing the stock IRS trailing arms enough or should I go aftermarket right off the bat?
And my biggest question so far...how in the heck do I widen the rear to match the front??? Only 2 ways I can think of are offset rear wheels and/or wheelspacers, OR custom trailing arms and longer driveshafts?
And think a beefed up 1600 would do the job or should I opt for a larger motor? Anyone make an adapter to mate up a built Toyota 22r??
Sorry for the LOOOONG 1st post...but might as well prepare you all right away!


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Post Post subject: Re: Yo, "Nick the New Guy" here...
Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 01:00 AM
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Welcome to the site.
For your build:
frt suspension in one shot: www.tweedsdesigns.com/products.htm
rear suspension trailing arms and info: www.blindchickenracing..._parts.htm
axles and cv's depending on what arms, trans etc: www.chirco.com
shocks: www.f-o-a.com/
cage from frt to rear: build your own, since you do that
trans: dan's bus box...on this site
adapter's to mate H2O engine: heckermachine.com/index.php

These sources will get you started. Then ask away again.


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Post Post subject: Re: Yo, "Nick the New Guy" here...
Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 01:59 AM
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Thanks for the time to post links! It is appreciated!

Hey...since I have a nice "noob" time bracket here to ask stupid questions...
What are they referring to when describing trailing arms as 3x3, 4x5 and 5x5? Deminsions? Lift/width?


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Man...reading through some of this stuff again I'm still realizing how darn ignorant I am yet! I have a LOOOONG way to go!
For one, I keep calling axles driveshafts because I am just not used to IRS! It's WIERD! Used to seeing a big Dana 60 or a 14 bolt 1 ton rear axle where there's a motor sitting instead!

Which reminds me...do you guys put locking differentials in the carrier or just run them open?


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Longer and wider than stock...ie 3x3 being the most common, is 3 inches longer and 3 inches wider than stock. Purpose being..the further away from the pivot point the same motion has more travel, longer wheelbase for a more stable ride.

The benefits of wider, wider track is more stable, allows for a longer axle so you can have lower cv angles for the same travel.

Clear as mud for you now!


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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 02:24 AM
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Yep, fully understand the benefits(and the occasional hindrance) of wider and longer, just wasn't sure if that's how they were describing them or not.
But if they're going up to 5" longer...will the CVs handle that much angle? Are people moving the powertrain back any to compensate?


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Prep and clock the cv's, use limiters to not overextend...straps.
Some people move the trans, others do not.


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I am not sure a limited slip diff would be a good idea since there isn't much weight in the front end. I would think you would have problems turning. I find turning brakes work good enough for me.

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Ooh...yeah...I used to scuff the fronts pretty hard even in my last crawler with a spool in the rear...

Yeah..since I've "returned" to the world of dirt, sand, mud and gas pedals, I've found TONS of cool shtuffs! I found a box with three 8" Hellas, 6 limiting straps(prob wrong length to be useable), three 4pt harnesses, a bag full of 3/4" spherical rod ends, and two new 8" HO elctric fans! I'm so stoked!

And thanks for the Q&A assistance, guys. I know "the usual" questions get really old really fast. You guys rule!
And I just ordered the Baja Bible off Ebay, so that should help..but written in 1982...? I think we need an update!


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Post Post subject: Re: Yo, "Nick the New Guy" here...
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And I just ordered the Baja Bible off Ebay, so that should help..but written in 1982...? I think we need an update!

Actually, alot of the stuff still applies. Even if it's dated, some of it works as good if not better than the "trick" stuff. Check out Class 11 bugs and you'll see what I mean.
And you do have the Idiot guide don't you? Wait, if you're gonna run a watercooled it won't apply too much. Still, good reading and even more dated....1969 and full of hippy stuff.


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