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Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 03:56 AM
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can anyone tell me in full detail just about every nut and bolt and bushing and bearing that i would need to do a 3x3 conversion?

i'ld like to have something to shoot for but get it done right the first time.

any and all help would be greatly appreciated.

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Post Post subject: Re: complete 3x3 setup?
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I've heard some good things about the Beanie Boy kit- I believe it's fairly complete. You plan on going all the way with bus trans and 930 CVs now, or wait until later?


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Post Post subject: Re: complete 3x3 setup?
Posted: Wed Mar 26, 2008 09:25 PM
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nube_w_1970baja wrote:
can anyone tell me in full detail just about every nut and bolt and bushing and bearing that i would need to do a 3x3 conversion?

i'ld like to have something to shoot for but get it done right the first time.

any and all help would be greatly appreciated.

good times,
jeff

Same here, I would like to know what I would need or where can I get the whle kit with bearings, cv's,...

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Post Post subject: Re: complete 3x3 setup?
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Chirco has a 930 CV kit (different kits for different gearboxes), and then you buy the 3x3 arms from them. Should be pretty much everything you need.

NOT cheap- but you probably already knew that, right? Laughing

Seems like you're going to need to upgrade from T1 CV's in order to benefit at all from the increased travel available with the 3x3 arms. You probably don't need to go ALL the way to 930 CVs, but it certainly would be ideal- do it once and be done, y'know?


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Post Post subject: Re: complete 3x3 setup?
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Chirco has a 930 CV kit (different kits for different gearboxes), and then you buy the 3x3 arms from them. Should be pretty much everything you need.

NOT cheap- but you probably already knew that, right? Laughing

Seems like you're going to need to upgrade from T1 CV's in order to benefit at all from the increased travel available with the 3x3 arms. You probably don't need to go ALL the way to 930 CVs, but it certainly would be ideal- do it once and be done, y'know?

I know its not cheap. I will probably finish the Baja and slowly get the 3x3 set up and just bolt it all in when I have it all.

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Post Post subject: Re: complete 3x3 setup?
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2008 01:00 AM
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3 x 3 arms pr
trailing arm bushings set
drive flanges pr
drive flange c-clips x 2
drive flange seals x 2
inner drive flange cup seals x 2
cv joints, i used 930's x 4
cv joint flanges x 4
cv joint boots x 4
cv joint bolts x 4 sets
axles for the correct length for your trans
930 conversion stub axles
rear wheel bearings
rear wheel bearing c-clips x 2
rear wheel bearing seal kits x 2
rear wheel bearing spacers if you don't have them
longer ebrake cables if running an ebrake
new brake lines for longer arms
lower shock mounts
upper shock mounts...ie cage
stronger torsion bars to handle the increased leverage
spring plate bushings (since you have it apart)

or instead of the last 2, a coil over conversion package if going coil over.

Did I miss anything?


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Post Post subject: Re: complete 3x3 setup?
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DONT wrote:

Did I miss anything?



money, lots-o-money..... Wink Laughing



heres a kit....


www.thesamba.com/vw/cl...?id=263551


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Post Post subject: Re: complete 3x3 setup?
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wow, that's great. so everything would cost around $$$1000$$$ right, maybe some more after shocks...

how hard is it to install?

and i'ld probably stick with the stock tranny.

what is the difference with the busy trannies?

and last, would doing the warrior front beam look too wierd without doing the 3x3's in back first?

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wow, that's great. so everything would cost around $$$1000$$$ right, maybe some more after shocks...

It's about $800 for the CV/axle kit, plus another $375 for the 3x3 arms themselves, THEN you still have to buy shocks. If you wanna add disk brakes, keep going! $$$$

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how hard is it to install?
If your car's already IRS, it shouldn't be bad at all- all bolt on, except maybe welding brake caliper mounting tabs to your 3x3 arms if you go disk brakes.

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and i'ld probably stick with the stock tranny.
what is the difference with the busy trannies?
The bus trannies are stronger. Depends on 1) how hard you plan to use/abuse the car, and 2) what type of engine you're planning on running as to whether or not you need to upgrade the trans or not. If you're going with the 3x3 setup, presumably you're going to be running the car fairly hard from time to time, so you may want to consider upgrading the trans to a bus. Also, I may be wrong on this, but I THINK if you're going to upgrade your CVs to either type 2 (bus) or 930, you HAVE to have a bus trans. I think the only CVs you can run with a bug IRS trans are bug CV's, and that's going to cripple your travel with the 3x3s.

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and last, would doing the warrior front beam look too wierd without doing the 3x3's in back first?
That's a matter of opinion, I guess. I don't think it'd be horrible looking...


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Tony, you can run 930's w/ a type 1 trans. Just drive flanges.


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Post Post subject: Re: complete 3x3 setup?
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Tony, you can run 930's w/ a type 1 trans. Just drive flanges.

Very well- I stand corrected. Thanks Don. Confused


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