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Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 06:19 PM
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Is it rocket science or is it pretty simple. I have a 3 wheel pipe cutter and a welder. I was told by a guy to cut the pipes and turn the center section a 1/4 turn, tack and weld. Is it that simple or is some other stuff I need to be aware of? Maybe some Tucson folks could give me some direction Wink

Another question: I have a ball joint front end. What would happen if I cut of the big ears for the shocks, and capped them off? Would it do anything to the front end? Weaken it or destroy it?

I have some old Rancho 9000 shocks that I was thinking of putting on the car. I have a two old spare tire racks from chevy blazers I have owned. I was going to cut the rounded end off and use them as shock hoops.

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All sounds good to me. Yes cut and turn on the beam IS that simple. You can cut the shock towers and cap them, they only serve as support for the shocks themselves. The tire racks should work for towers as long as they are strong enough and you add supports to them.


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Cool. Maybe I'll tackle that today. I'll try to post some pics after I'm done. Depends on what the wife wants to tell me she wants done around the house today.

What's the most I can turn the center on that front end? Is a 1/4 turn pretty much the max?


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If you go more than 1/4 then you will top the balljoints out and it will ride like crap.


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When you weld them back on get some angle iron and clamp them down good, do several tacks, don't lay down a solid bead or you might tweak the beam. Go slow and yea a 1/4 turn may look cool but will ride like crap.


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Okay, a 1/4 turn it is. A question for Leatherneck. You're saying don't run a complete bead? Or should I just weld a bit at a time and complete the bead? Or just silicone the open spots?

Next Q: Do I just jack up the front of the car and cut? Is it easier with wheels off? When I cut through is it gonna leak poisonous gasses and make me dizzy? Is it gonna spring apart? Am I gonna need a pipe wrench to turn the cut section? I looked online and didn't see alot of info....


I feel like a 17 year old with all these questions. No offense to the 17 year olds bt I know Chevy Blazers inside and out and these bugs are like reading chinese to me......


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Second question first. Me I would take the beam all the way off, strip it and clean and degrease it, also cuts down on the fire hazard when you weld. Speaking of welding bevel your ends too that way the bead gets down into the metal, if already know my apologizes.

No you want to end up with the tube completely welded but tack in place first, then start your bead for a inch or so and stop allow it to cool some continue that till it is completely welded. It may or may not happen with non-stop welding but you could end up twisting or bowing some, that is also why you clamp it into some angle iron so it is straight too. And a 1/4 turn max, little less will not hurt, even be better on the ride end of it.

Ask as many questions as you need to, don't sweat it, I would rather ask to many questions then screw something up that could of been taken care of with a question or 10.

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This beam isn't coming off of this rail. The guy I bought it from welded it onto the frame of the rail. Other than that it's pretty clean.


Hey I saw the pic of your rail. Very nice. What part of AK were you in? The family and I drove to Mtn Home to visit the wifes dad. No idea why he moved there after spending his life here but he did. It was a really nice place.


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Guess you have no choice, I would still strip the arms and springs, grind or sand the paint to metal, make some reference points on the tubes so when you move it you know how much and that both top and bottom are the same.

My rail, can you say way to much money and time spent on it, well my wife can and does, ALOT! Laughing But I like it, especially when it is running. Mtn. Home you say, retirement town, nice hospital for some reason Wink This is pretty country, but it is secluded very few off-roaders, well at least with rails and Baja's. If I am still here (hopefully not) next time you come out give me a yell, we will go for a ride.

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The scenery blew me away. We spent time at Bull Shoals Lake, rented a boat, skiied, toured the lake, did the cave tours, bought trunkloads of fireworks all the way from Oklahoma to Ark and back to Tucson.


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JUST MY TWO CENTS YOU MAY OR MAYNOT KNOW ONLY CUT AND TURN ONE TUBE AT A TIME SO YOUR BEAM STAYS TRUE. ALSO NOT SURE BUT IF YOU ARE RUNING STOCK JOINTS YOU MIGHT WANT TO PUT A LIMIT STRAP ON OR OVER TIME YOU WILL WEAKEN AND BREAK YOUR BALL JOINTS AT FULL JOUNCE ******SOMEONE CAN TELL ME FOR SURE BUT THATS WHAT I WAS TOLD ABOUT BALL JOINT FRONT ENDS***********


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Thanks for the input. I was going to do them one at a time just to keep things in check. Knowing me I'd get ahead of myself and rotate one backward and the other forward.

My ball joints are old and frail but they're still pretty solid and I'm sure they were abused before I picked this buggy up. I'm gonna replace them. I already replaced the tie rods ends and beefed up the tie rods using 1/2 " gas pipe. A little stronger than stock but not much.

Leatherneck, While shopping for fireworks I met the head football coach at the high school. Pretty cool guy. He tried to talk my oldest into living with gramps and playing football for him. It almost worked....


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leather, can you post a link to what you did to your beam.
i tried too twice on STF but no workee...


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leather, can you post a link to what you did to your beam.
i tried too twice on STF but no workee...

Here it is, anybody has questions fire away. click Leathernecks Build .

I have since gone to a coil over setup, the ride is sooooo much better. But you have to try everything, at least once.

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