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Posted: Thu Mar 15, 2007 07:49 AM
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So, I've got a '65 pan with IRS tabs already installed (see pic in "introduce yourself" forum). I'm fixin to start a baja project with it, as I've wanted one since high school. Here's what I've got planned, with some ??? in blanks that I could use some help with. I'm trying to do this fairly economically, so here goes:

First, a general description of the car and it's intended use- Permavert (top cut off), 6-pt cage, street legal, must fit in my toyhauler, mainly drive to/from work (5 miles, covered parking), desert trails in cooler months, cruising forest roads in the high country in summer. Would like to have the susp. travel/strength to occasionally get it a foot or so off the ground, but I'll admit that I'm pretty conservative about not trashing stuff I spend my hard-earned $$ on. DON'T want a 1-piece tilt front end- would like to have the "trunk" space to store a few odd/ends.

Warrior offroad front beam (poss. +6")
Stock front trailing arms (strengthened?)
Front shocks (???)
Body lift (Chirco?)
??? transmission (bug irs? bus? what'll suit me??)
??? engine (thinking 1835 or so, single carb, RELIABLE)
built IRS, maybe beanie boy 3x3?? (or just strengthened stock?)
6-pt cage (Chirco)

Must have functional back seat also. I like the idea of having a somewhat cush ride and capable suspension. Would like something a little peppier than most of the bugs on the road, but must admit I'm not rich, and would like to keep this home-built AND inexpensive if possible.

Any input from you vets would be greatly appreciated! I posted a question like this over on the OTHER vw site- got 100 views and only like THREE responses!

Thanks!
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do you/ will you drive the freeway with it at all?

for long travel use fox shocks (see chirco site)

also some limiter straps to avoid breaking the axle shafts or front tie rods.

what do you mean by "peppier engine than most bugs"?

if you want extra horses, go subu or pinto.

you want LIGHT WIEGHT stay vw aircooled, just go stroker.

a baja should have no trouble slidin in to a toy hauler. my father in laws rail is wider than my baja and it fits fine in his (5th wheel tow hauler, cargo trailer toy hauler, and open trailer).

a 6 point cage is a nice start Wink

does it have a 7 piece baja kit already? (see chirco site) you can keep front hatch for storage.....depending on seat belts, you may lose back seat.

I will let Bugzyla and others talk about the rear trailing arms and front tortion.


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Oh yeah- and I'd like to do wide 5 disc brakes on the front at least, eventually all four corners...

Very little freeway driving- VERY little. I have a pickup (air conditioning and cruise control!) and a flat bed OR my toyhauler for the longer trips.

Losing back seat not an option, so I'll have to work around that.

As far as engine goes, I don't know much about them, but I want it to be adequately powerful, but bottom line is RELIABLE. I'm no stranger to maintenance, but I want to USE something when I want to use it, not have to FIX the freakin' thing!

So, let's say I go as big as 19xx cc- good choice? Let me phrase it this way- what's the best all-around engine available when you consider power AND reliability, UNDER 2000cc?

Which trans would be more than adequate for me? Should I automatically forget about a bug transaxle and get at least a three rib bus?

You Mesa guys- should I have the pan sandblasted? Know anywhere local that does something that large? I'd like to start with a CLEAN palate, y'know? That way, it looks wayyyy sweet when I'm bolting NEW parts to it in the garage. What should I use to coat the floor? I was thinking of off-the-shelf bedliner material or something similar to that...


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a 1776 or 1915 with dual 40's would be nice (im buildin a 2300+ instead of another 2007).

a 2010 would even be fine.

turbo will due no good on trails (for the most part), more for sand and racing.

if you maintain the engine no matter what the size or output, it will last a great while. ....check and adjust timing and carb/s after runnin all day on trails or sand. change oil, adjust valves, torue heads and block on a regular basis. check cables and trans shift rod for wear/ loose screws etc.
(a once over after a days of play should take 30 min's or so)

I learned the hard way. Id play on the trails. come home and drive like i never went out. that didnt sit too well with the engine after a while Embarassed .


wide 5 disk brakes will run $1000 or more for the whole car. even from chirco Shocked

trans is your choice. mine has had a type 1 stock in it for many a year. some prefer type 2 (bus) for the lower gears. cant go fast on the freeway).


truck bed spray in/ roll in liner is fantasic for a baja interior/ exterior. a lot of guys are goin to that. no more rust, no more body scrapes (unless you plow into a boulder...)


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For the frt suspension, you can copy the chirco build all the way through to the shocks. The rear you can copy also if you want stock-beefed arms.

As far as the body lift, the ones for sale are a thin gauge "c" channel that is quite flimsy. You can talk to Daryll, Bugzilla about one of his custom body lifts. He makes them out of boxed tubing and they are much stronger.

Chirco's also build a 1915 on their site which they say will be good with a single weber 40 idf.

I think the back seat can be used with the 6 pt cage, but the upper shock mounts may be tight. I was planning on using a narrower back seat. Poly unless we use it a lot, then buy a suspension rear seat to match the frts.

Most people feel a type 1 IRS is strong enough for most driving. I am going with one. (The hardest thing to a trans is shock, like being on the throttle when the tire lands, or burnouts.)

Hope that helps.


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That does help, a lot- thanks. I think I might go bus. I'm planning for 30-31" tires on back, and if I'm not doing much long distance driving, should be ok. I'd rather have it quick around town (equals FUN), and set up well for some occasional trail driving than set it up for the highway, when I will hardly ever drive it that way. I can see myself driving to Queen Valley or something occasionally, but that's about it. Maybe as far as Globe, but once you're past Superior, you can't go 90 anymore anyway!

How much $$ is it gonna take to copy the chirco front susp? That's gonna be the kicker. I'm bracing myself for how fast this is going to add up!


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I RAN MANY STOCK TRANS AND DPORTS ON MANY RAILS, AND ABUSED THEM ALOT, OTHER THAN BLOWING A TRANS ONCE IN A BLUE MOON, AND RUNNING DIFFERENT CARBS, THEY HUNG TOGETHER QUITE WELL, JUST HAVE TO KEEPEM TUNED AND WELL LUBED!!I EVEN HAD A FRIEND(YES I HAVE ONE) THAT BLOW A 3RIB TRYING TO GET UNSTUCK IN A WASH. ALOTT OF THE NORTHERN GUYS RUN TERA TIRES IN THE WOODS, ANY WAY GOOD LUCK WITH YOURS!!!!!!


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I missed one of your questions... Here are some pictures of a build that looks nice with a trunk..

www.thesamba.com/vw/fo...de=results

The front end is not too much..
beam:
www.chircoestore.com/c...ccb66568ee

strock trailing arms that are beefed:
www.chircoestore.com/c...ccb66568ee

spindles...stock gussetted

The steering is more $$
www.chircoestore.com/c...ccb66568ee

then bushings, 2 sets of springs to cut (or made for 6" over beam)

I may end up with some extra stock link pin parts if you need.


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DONT- the first samba link just goes to a blank search page... I'd definitely like to see the car!

Will the tall shock towers work with the body intact (trunk in place)?


Thanks!

Hey- I'm not a recruit anymore!


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Sorry about the link. The submiter is hethen57. shmo's car also has the trunk intact and looks good.

With a 6 inch wider, I would thing they will clear. If your front end is apart, you can trial fit my beam.


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Currently I run a stock supension, stock IRS tranz, and a stock engine w/duel Kads. I haven't broken anything yet and I ride it pretty hard.

Wider supensions are nice but quite expensive. The more epesive the part the more expensive the repaire when you break it!!!

As for sand blasting, Pro-strip is off of Southern. Darryl knows someone too.

For a roll cage w/back seat, Chirco has on for about $160.

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Woo-hoo! I just sold my '65 "driver"- I hope momma let's me put the $$$ toward my HA...

Thank you CRAIGSLIST!!!


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I'm putting a 88 2.3 ford in my baja. I decided on this due to cost of building a performance/reliable air cooled. I'm using a bus 002 trans. I've been told this trans is good to 125 hp stock and 200 built up. I'm staying stock till I get my turbo setup built. The 2.3 I have is rated at 88 hp stock with full exhaust. So I'm hoping for 95-100 with header and intake and performance chip, It's FI also. Sounds like your on the right track to me with the trans and such. Take pics and keep us posted.


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The little 2.3 will put out and easy 150hp with the proper carb header and SVO cam from ford.

The problem is if you plan on driving it every day then you need to look for a trans axle with a 4.37 or 3.90 diff would be better, with and over drive in 4th (Most VW's 4th is over drive)

water cools do not like to run above 3000 rpm for a long time before you start to build up heat Air cooleds like it too keep the flow over the fins.

Long trips realy suck it's heat managment, Stay close to 2500rpm and 55mph. so go with a 3.90 diff if you can find it and nothing over a 4.37. if you go over that your a play car and the street fun is gone.


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