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I have 0 clue what wheel travel, is but I hear the more the better. What is it and how can I increase mine? Thanks folks


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wheel travel usually refers to the total distance for a wheel to move up and down with out stoping.

what yr of bug ya got?

are there bump stops on the front tortion?

if so, CUT EM OFF!!!!

for the rear, you have to do a bit more Wink


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ooohh i see. Its a 74 std. I think I know about the bump stops yur talking about, he slighty cup shaped things that get hit by the big rubber, umm, cone i guess? SO I should cut those off then? I thought so but when I read about it ( i mustave read wrong) i thought he said to replace the rubber with a stronger material. He=Hibbard.

Which brings me to a question I was gonna ask sometime: Look at the picture below. It is of my spring plate (74 standard bug). Now what stops the spring plate from moving up and down is the metal stops that stop it from moving, at least partly I think. So, why not grind those off so it can go as high or low as it wants and heck, you could raise your suspension more right? Thats just a theory, what do you think?



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Wheel travel is the amount your wheels and tires/ suspension move up and down.
I'm not sure but here is the way I think it goes. Correct me if I'm wrong folks, cause with 31's on the rear I could use some more myself.

It's not easy to gain more. No! No! No! No!!!! If you've ever seen a baja with shocks sticking up through the fenders, that's what I'm talking about. It can be very expensive. You'll need a new front end with taller shock towers, and of course taller shocks, and I think longer arms. On the rear I think it gets even more complicated.

Sounds like you have the same problem I have with tires rubbing fenders.
If so, lifting can help some of that. Coil over shocks can help a little too.
Other than that you have to sacrifice tire size.
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I've heard to not gring off the top stop.


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remove your rubbers!!!

from the front bump stops.
take a sawz all or grinder with a cuttin wheel and whack those stops off. this will give the stock front another 4" or so of travel.

other wise install a 6" wider front beam.

keep in mind, the speedo cable may pull out of the wheel from time to time. it will be over stretched when the wheel drops the extra distance...

I will let the more knowlegded chime in about the rear travel.


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so for front travel, I think im gonna need a pic cuz i see no rubber stops or nothing. See em in the back but the front, no sir! So its cool to grind off the bottom stop then? And no Bubba, I do not have that problem yet. My baja has never tasted dirt yet, lol. My friends baja bug used to rug tire to finder but it never seemed to harm anything.


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ok. maybe the 74 didnt have bump stops. was gonna post some front tortion pics, but photobucket is down for service right now.


hey, one less thing to worry about Wink


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remove your rubbers!!!
Shocked We still talking wheel travel here? Wink
Something else to think about, You can provide all the clearance you want, but you are still limited by the front and rear torsions. With out some sort of stop, you'll over twist the torsions and let the "POP" out, or weaken them. I consider travel like a full house, ones no good with out the other. You need to clearance the stops without over extending the torsions and cv joints, shocks with out pulling the piston off of the shaft, or bottoming it out, ball joints wothout pulling the ball out. ect. thats why the race cars use limiting straps and noeprene bump stops.


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Ok, slow down, step away from the grinder....

Here is Chirco's build where they talk about cv joint limits:
www.chircoestore.com/c...a61ee69f43

This is good reading and with pictures for the reading impared.

The front Bajafun was talking about is a link pin front end, so that is why you do not have big rubber bumpers. You are limited on your front travel/ground clearance with out major surgery. You can cut and turn your front beam for more clearance. (or if local I have one you can have for what I paid)

The Chirco build shows the max you can do with stock cv's. The next step is longer trailing arms, Porsche 930 cv joints, etc. figure 1000 + shocks + bigger torsions or real coilovers + cage to mount the shocks to + + +

For the front, the Chirco build is a good next upgrade. If you want more that 8" or so, you can go with longer arms, real coilovers or upgraded torsions, + + +

So you can go as crazy as you want or as mild as you want. I am hoping for 10-12 in the front and 14 in the rear.
6" wider beam with longer towers, sway a way torsions, 2 1/4" longer arms, 10" fox shocks and limit straps; 3 x 3 arms, sway a way torsion bars, 930 cv's, 14" shocks, limit straps, and bump stops.

Did I confuse you more or help. Anyway, do not grind off the bottom stops. Cool


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I have read the thread and with what you have (stock) you cannot increase your wheel travel, IMHO. You can raise the car just a tiny bit by grinding off the lower stop on the rear torsion, but you will gain no travel. You can cut and turn the front end and raise the car, but you will gain no travel. You have to increase the length of the front and rear trailing arms to increase travel.

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DONT wrote:
Ok, slow down, step away from the grinder....

Here is Chirco's build where they talk about cv joint limits:
www.chircoestore.com/c...a61ee69f43

This is good reading and with pictures for the reading impared.

Cool

<----- Reading impared Cool


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